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FINAL – Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing #MH17
Eyewitness Accounts July 18, 2014 Comments: 62
FLASH UPDATE: Industry Outlet Confirms Carlos (@spainbuca) as ATC at Borispol in Kiev
(See the Text of Carlos / @spainbuca Tweets Below the Article)
Original: EturboNews (ETN Global Travel Industry News) – July 17, 2014
ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.
This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.
The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.
Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.
Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.
Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.
Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.
According to other rumors, the black box for this crashed Malaysian Airlines flight was taken by Donetsk separatists. A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow.
The First Deputy Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed People’s Republic of Donetsk, Andrew Purgin, stated that the flight recorders of the crashed aircraft will be transferred to Moscow for examination.
Sources say the Rebel group leadership hopes this would confirm the Ukrainian military actually shot down this aircraft. This was reported by the news agency Interfax-Ukraine.
ETN statement: The information in this article is independently confirmed and based on the statement of one airline controller and other tweets received.
Translated from Spanish by Luis Lopez
Source: Tweets by Spanish Air Controller - @spainbuca
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10:21 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos
“Kiev Authorities, trying to make looks like an attack by pro-Russian”
10:24 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros
“warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers”
10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba
“Warning! Kiev have what they wanted”
10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev
“[Miitary] has taken control of ATC in Kiev”
10:27 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado
“The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed”
10:30 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente
“Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident”
10:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT
“Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT”
10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev,
“An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport”
10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro
“they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment”
10:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev
“Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev”
11:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nosotros tenemos la confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora
“We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now”
11:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información
“What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information”
11:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuando sea posible sigo escribiendo
“When possible I´ll keep writing”
11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,
The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar,
11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza
“If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter”
12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?
“Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?”
12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí
“7:00 minutes after [plane dissapeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ”
12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también
“all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also”
13:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos
“Here the military commanders manage and support it could be military following other orders , but no, the pro-Russian”
13:29 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, .
“Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.”
13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden
“Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from”
13:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko
“Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following timishenko orders]”
13:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos
“The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes”
13:43 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo
“Airspace closed”
13:45 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos
“Airspace is closed, more downings feared”
15:17 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil
“military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile”
15:23 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado
“Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down”
15:26 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes
“The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas”
15:34 – 17 de jul. de 2014Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no
“Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t”
15:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine
“military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine”
15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior
“For those who do not know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister”
15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, .
“The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .”
16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,
“Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,”
16:07 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares que si lo sabían y otros mandos que no,
“military commanders that knew it and others didn´t ,”
16:08 – 17 de jul. de 2014 290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero
“290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money”
16:09 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos
“Thw way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made us think that they [made it]”
16:10 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas
“The face of the soldiers who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts”
16:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Es tal la decadencia que los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión
“Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their version”
16:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nuestra respuesta, fue, estos radares no recogen el lanzamiento de misiles, los militares si, ya no quedaban dudas
“Our response was, these radars do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones does, there were no doubts”
Ukraine's Security Service Has Confiscated Air Traffic Control Recordings With Malaysian Jet
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Earlier, when we commented in the abnormality in the flight path of flight MH-17 we said that "perhaps before coming to "certain" conclusion about the involvement of this rebel or that, the key questions one should ask before casting blame, is why did the pilot divert from his usual flight plan, why did he fly above restricted airspace, and just what, if any instructions, did Kiev air control give the pilot in the minutes before the tragic explosion?"
The simple answer would have come if Ukraine had merely released the Air Traffic Control recording from the tower and flight MH 17, something Malaysia did in the aftermath of the disappearance of flight MH 370, which at last check has still not been uncovered.
It now appears that answer will not be forthcoming because as the BBC reports "Ukraine's SBU security service has confiscated recordings of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the crew of the doomed airliner, a source in Kiev has told Interfax news agency."
What happens to the recordings next is completely unknown. What is known is that any hope of getting an undoctored explanation why the plane flew as it did, or what the pilots may have seen or said in the moments before the explosion, is forever gone.
It also means that any hope of actually working with facts instead of emotional appeals, and getting to the bottom of the Malaysian airline tragedy, resides in what may be recorded by the black box, whose location right now is now exactly clear. From the Independent:
"Ukraine's emergency services have found two black boxes at the crash site of the downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, the governor of eastern Ukraine's Donetsk region has been quoted as saying.
"Two black boxes were found by our emergency services. I have no information on where these boxes are at the moment," Kostyantyn Batovsky told the Interfax-Ukraine news agency.
Pro-Russian separatists in the region said on Thursday they had found one black box when the Malaysian airliner came down between Krasni Luch in Luhansk region and Shakhtarsk in the neighbouring region of Donetsk.
The Interfax-Ukraine news agency had claimed the first black box has been sent to Moscow for analysis, the BBC reported. The news agency now reports a second black box has been recovered at the crash site.
Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has been quoted as saying Russia does not plan to take the "black box" flight recorders from downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in territory held by pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine,
However, separatist leader Aleksandr Borodai told the Associated Press: "No black boxes have been found ... We hope that experts will track them down and create a picture of what has happened."
A spokesman for the Emergencies Ministry in Kiev declined to comment on the report.
In other words, even more fact-free confusion and speculation which is just what a propaganda-based reporting system needs.
And so, just like in the case of flight MH-370, what actually happened with MH-17 may never be known.
http://rt.com/news/173964-ukraine-malays...ted-calls/
Unverified tape released by Kiev presented as ‘proof’ E. Ukraine militia downed MH17
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The Ukrainian Security Service has released what it calls “intercepted phone conversations,” which are supposed to prove that Donetsk self-defense forces shot down Malaysia Airlines MH17 flight on Thursday – presumably, by mistake.
The 2:33 minute clip, which Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) posted on YouTube in Ukrainian, English, German, French, Spanish, Polish, Turkish and Japanese versions, consists of three separate “conversations.”
The first “conversation” allegedly takes place between – according to SBU’s titles – militia group commander nicknamed “Bes” (“Igor Bezler”) and his alleged coordinator, “Vasily Geranin,” who is titled in the video as “a colonel of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces.”
“Bes” and “Geranin” are speaking about a downing of a jet, without clarifying if it’s a military or a civilian aircraft.
The second “conversation,” which allegedly happens between anti-Kiev militia members – nicknamed “Major” and “Grek” – reveals that the crashed plane was “a 100 per cent passenger aircraft.”
The third and final segment sets things straight as an unnamed “militia member” tells an alleged “Cossack commander” titled as “Nikolay Kozitsin,” that there’s ‘Malaysia Airlines’ marking on the downed plane.
The Western media has picked up the news, despite it being impossible to verify the authenticity of the leaked conversations.
Meanwhile, some alternative media outlets are already accusing Kiev authorities of cooking up a fake.
The commentators point out that the discussion between “Bes” and “Geranin” may well refer to the Ukrainian Su-25 jet, which militia members downed on June 16.
There are also doubts spoken out, that that the unnamed “militia member” from the third tape segment could distinguish “Malaysia Airlines” marking on the aircraft as it was turned into rubble by the crash and fell down in small pieces scattered around a large territory.
RT has managed to contact Evgeny Kruzhin, who is a medic in the militia group accused of bringing the plane down, through his LIveJournal page. He told RT that the fighters nicknamed Major and Grek really do exist, but claimed that they remained in the town of Enakievo when the jet crashed – while the second “conversation” on the tape says that the plane was “shot down from the Chernukhino checkpoint.” Chernukhino is a settlement located some 25 kilometers from Enakievo.
“Therefore, they have no connection to either the plane’s downing, or the examination of the crash site,” Kruzhin stressed.
People stand, on July 17, 2014, amongst the wreckages of the malaysian airliner carrying 295 people from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur after it crashed, near the town of Shaktarsk. (AFP Photo / Dominique Faget)People stand, on July 17, 2014, amongst the wreckages of the malaysian airliner carrying 295 people from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur after it crashed, near the town of Shaktarsk. (AFP Photo / Dominique Faget)
Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 carrying almost 300 people on board crashed on Thursday as it was flying over Ukraine’s Donetsk Region.
The cause of the crash is yet to be established by investigators, although both Kiev and the E.Ukrainian militias deny responsibility and blame the other.
Donetsk militia declared that they simply don’t have the military equipment to shoot down a plane from 10,000-meter altitude, while Kiev said it could not have fired a missile at the passing civilian plane because it had no Buk missile launchers deployed in the region.
Meanwhile the Russian Defense Ministry said that the Ukrainian military has several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers, capable of bringing down high-flying jets, in the Donetsk region where the Malaysian passenger plane crashed.
Kiev deployed powerful anti-air systems to E. Ukraine ahead of the Malaysian plane crash
Later it added that a Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational in the region and deployed at a site from which it could have fired a missile at the airliner.
Ukrainian Buk battery radar was operational when Malaysian plane downed - Moscow
The south-east of Ukraine remains the scene of heavy fighting between Kiev troops and the militia, who refuse to recognize the regime change in Kiev and demand federalization.
http://rt.com/news/174128-lugansk-osce-death-toll/
Militia fights off Ukrainian army offensive on Luhansk
World July 19, 23:42 UTC+4
The Ukrainian army tried to approach the city from two sides, the press service of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic said.
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LUGANSK, July 19 /ITAR-TASS/. Militia fought off the Ukrainian army offensive in the eastern city of Luhansk on Saturday, July 19, causing the government troops to sustain heavy losses both in manpower and materiel, the press service of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) said.
250 civilian persons killed in Luhansk region of Ukraine since beginning of summer - OSCE
“In the first half of the day July 19 active fighting took place in the vicinity of Luhansk. The Ukrainian army tried to approach the city from two sides… apparently facing two tasks: to cut off the road to Donetsk and unblock the airport. In both directions, the aggressor was fought off by the LNR units… as a result, the enemy sustained serious losses both in manpower and materiel, retreating from its positions,” the press service said.
About 11:00 local time, Ukrainian Air Force helicopters fired at the militia positions near the town of Aleksandrovsk but “the missiles missed the target”, the press service said.
It said the Ukrainian army’s artillery fire had practically destroyed the village of Popasnoye. Its residents “are hiding in the cellars to avoid sniper fire”.
The army also conducted fire in Severodonetsk and Lisichansk.
Ukrainian Defence Minister Valery Geletei earlier reported to President Pyotr Poroshenko that the army had taken the south-eastern part of Luhansk and its airport under control.
However, the LNR press service denied that. “The Ukrainian troops did not take any parts in the south-east of Luhansk. Everyone remains on its previous positions,” it said.
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It’s hard to watch the news pouring out about this latest obviously staged airliner hoax. The essence once again, as was the last lost Malaysian flight, is diversion and misdirection. This time from the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestine. What are we hearing about the brutal incursion into Gaza by the massive, vicious Israeli army intent on bulldozing those innocent residents into the sea? Almost nothing.
The US anti Russia rhetoric is another smokescreen. All of this is to gin up anger, hatred and most of all get your mind off what’s really going down.
What does the magician do? Draw your attention to one hand while the other is busy preparing the next trick. That these airliner tragedies are intertwined events is no mere coincidence. Already reports are coming in that the passengers were dead long before the crash, never mind that there was a duplicate Malaysian airliner in a Tel Aviv hangar all along, that jet fighters were tailing the plane, or that the MH17 commercial route resumed routinely following the incident. One easily wonders if that original flight was even out of Schiphol airport, which by the way doesn’t normally fly over Ukraine.
Smells like 9/11, doesn’t it.
Same planners. Same perpetrators. That’s why.
The Mushed Mass Mind is a Sitting Duck
Taking the initiative has so many advantages; the controlling manipulators know this and use it to the hilt. If you create the chaos, the body has to react. While it’s reacting you can get away with just about anything in some other quadrant of mass consciousness, especially when you control the media, formulating world opinion while muzzling honest reporting or open discourse. Notice your own mind right now. Poof! Israel’s invasion and ethnic cleansing isn’t even on your radar while you scour for proof this was a false flag airliner crash. See? It works.
Such is the world we’re presently living in.
Meanwhile we have no pictures, no reporting, not even a look into what is going on in Gaza in the ongoing genocide of our Gazan family. It’s pushed aside, deliberately and oh so conveniently. All the while this scraping of Gaza was openly called for by Israeli spokespeople previous to the staged so-called abduction of 3 Israeli teenagers, which fell conveniently before the massive assault on Gaza began. Staged terror at its worst, and most blatant.
Now Is the Time to Expose the Zionist Influence
While Israel’s ongoing murderous crime has been ongoing since its imposed inception with many horrific pogroms on the Palestinian people as they’ve gobbled up their land, this latest incident is the most blatant outright genocidal aggression yet. They apparently know that, and created these smokescreen airliner events with lap dog American complicity who have cooperatively upped the rhetoric, and distraction, with their anti-Russia sabre rattling.
Clever bastards, eh? Not so if you’re awake enough to have a heart and are even beginning see what’s really going on.
This latest incursion into Gaza is by far the most blatant and obvious yet, and many are seeing it. To raze a captive populace based on a supposed kidnapping and a few mortars by a defenseless imprisoned people is as obvious as it gets. And the most heartbreaking.
The indictment goes to those who fall for this propaganda. The asleep followers whose noses are turned at the latest blush of distracting news instead of realizing what is really happening are the culprits.
It’s time to stop being hypnotized by these bastards.
It’s time to activate and stand up for what is true and right.
Stop fearing the Zionist reaction, it’s a planted entrainment in your mind.
Speak the Truth. Boldly. Stand upright as the living, conscious soul that you are.
Just do it.
Love, Zen
Flight MH17 Conjures MH370, Exposing Western Deception, Leading To More Questions
JULY 19, 2014 BY SHAWN HELTON 10 COMMENTS
Shawn Helton
21stCentury Wire
There are many questions surrounding the ‘downed’ Malaysian airliner MH17, one must keep their eyes peeled, as the volatile landscape within Ukraine and the Middle East is front and center with regards to this latest high-flying tragedy…
Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 was apparently bound from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur on Thursday evening and was said to have ‘disappeared’ from radar prior to crashing near the settlement of Grabovo, in Eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk region, with the deaths of all 298 members on the plane, after it was originally stated the count was 295.
The human tragedy is incomprehensible, and a very sad ordeal for the victims families. The the potential damage doesn’t end there, however, as Washington and its allies are working overtime to try and establish guilt in the court of public opinion. It’s the type of pretext event which could easily spiral geopolitical rivals further towards a military confrontation in the short term.
IMAGE: A section of MH17 fuselage on the ground is but one key identifiable piece found in perfect condition, no burn marks or impact damage – without a scratch (Photo: Mashable)
Initial western media reports have suggested that the 777 Boeing was shot down by a SAM missile unit, leading Western governments and heavy-handed media outlets to hastily blame pro-Russian separatists for the incident without producing any real evidence. The sudden tragic end to MH17, has had a fiery backdrop provided by other regions of the world as well, as Israel has engaged in a ground invasion of Gaza, while Iraq has been wrought with manufactured terror for months, both of which are undoubtedly political factors contributing to the polarization of the MH17 incident.
There seems to be a heavy bias within media reports concerning the ‘doomed’ flight, prompting Russia’s Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov, to lambaste the West for drawing such a quick conclusion, without any verifiable evidence, as told to RT news:
“They try to show to the whole world that we are responsible for the crash. It is very strange that without any evidence my colleagues from western media would like to find somebody who is responsible for the crash,” Antonov stated. “It seems to me that this is part of information warfare which has been started against the Russian Federation and armed forces.” He also added, “As for me, I don’t want to use this opportunity to blame anybody. I would just like to raise few questions for my colleagues from the armed forces of Ukraine,” Antonov said. “I hope they try to answer the questions, it will be a good opportunity for us to realize where we are, whether there is a possibility for us to restart cooperation and to find who is really responsible for the tragedy.”
It should also be mentioned that Putin condemned the apparent plane attack when it was first announced, calling for a ceasefire between what Washington refers to as ‘pro-Russian separatist’ rebels and Kiev’s Western-backed Ukrainian armed forces in the wake of MH17′s downing – the third such ceasefire proposal which Washington has worked hard to undermine, preferring to politically and financially fuel the Ukrainian civil war from the outside.
IMAGE: ‘Burning evidence’ – The MH17 crash site near Grabovo in Ukraine’s Donetsk region. MH17 was apparently downed on the anniversary of TWA flight 800. While officials have stated that Flight 800 was downed in the Atlantic Ocean because of a feul tank explosion in 1996, many critics have doubted those claims stating that the plane was shot down due to the forensic evidence compiled. (Photo channelnewsasia.com)
Many will debate the cause of the MH17′s demise, as there are many anomalies surrounding this incident, as critics have already begun to question the crash itself, something of which we’ll look into a bit later, but before we do, one should examine those who are most likely to carry out such a dark event, via their access to air-defense equipment. 21WIRE’s own Andrew McKillop, weighed in on this very idea in his article entitled, “FLIGHT MH17 – KIEV FLASH MOB’S LAST FALSE FLAG?”:
“While there is no certainty the pro-Russian rebels hold advanced SAM air defence weapons, they are certainly in the hands of the Kiev flash mob government, alongside the advanced AAM weapons they also “inherited” from the elected government they overthrew. The onus of military proof is stacked against Kiev, leaving only the question of political motive or motives for the incident.”
Relevant Background History
Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 was shot down over the Black Sea in October of 2001 by the Ukrainian military in a flight traveling from Tel Aviv to Russia. It was first reported that Russian forces had been responsible for the areonuatical disaster, but the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC) stated that the incident was caused by a surface-to-air missile strike by the Ukrainian military following a more lengthy investigation. US intelligence has claimed that Russia supplied the air-defense system but history tells a different tale.
There was said to be at least three cargo planes shot down this week by Ukrainian forces and according to Anton Lavrov, an independent aviation analyst and noted military expert, Ukraine has held many air-defense systems since Soviet times, outlining a trail of money leading back to the United States government, revealing its foreign policy blow-back:
“Ukraine has had many portable air-defense systems since Soviet times. They were even disposing of them with the help of U.S. money.”
Washington’s World War via Social Media
So what about reports suggesting Russia supplied the armaments used to allegedly shoot down MH17?
United States intelligence has been busy trying to ‘build’ a case against Russia in the aftermath of MH17 and have suggested that the SAM defense system allegedly used to shoot down MH17 was brought back to Russia.
Western media been been busy, heavily pressing on the unverified conversations released on YouTube allegedly depicting a ‘BUK’ SAM missile system for 5 seconds – with no verification of where or when the brief video clip originated, but that hasn’t stopped ever major US media and radio program from stating that this somehow constitutes a closed case. The other ‘evidence’ US media is holding up is an unconfirmed Tweet from ‘rebels’ boasting about shooting down a passenger airliner.
The distortion through various social media over MH17, seems reminiscent of Secretary of State John Kerry‘s ‘open source evidence’ in Syria, allegedly showing young victims of chemical warfare - later we learned these videos had been fabricated to justify Washington’s war ambitions with Syria.
According to military analyst at the Institute for Political and Military Analysis, Alexander Khramchikhin, Ukrainian’s were the ones with ability to down the aircraft from weapons procured from Ukrainian bases after their change in government. The following quotes are from a recent interview that Khramchikhin had with The Moscow Times:
“The only reason Russia would supply armaments to insurgents now is get rid of its own scrap metal,” continuing he added, “The proof that the Ukrainian authorities presented is laughable. It is aimed at a Ukrainian public that does not care about evidence.”
MH17 has followed the unprecedented and highly controversial disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 back in March. Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was said to have disappeared from the sky in the early hours of Saturday, March 8th, 2014, subsequently over at 35,000 feet heading in a flight bound for Beijing. The flight was carrying some 227 passengers and 12 crew members and had its flight path redirected, triggering many theories, as evidence suggested the flight had been deliberately taken off course and possibly landed. Many aeronautical experts agreed that the MH370′s apparent vanishing did indeed defy logic as it was ‘highly unusual’ if not outright unprecedented - at that altitude.
During the wave of MH370 reports in March, I outlined the many systems in place used to track the whereabouts of a Boeing 777 at all times, making the false reports by satellites very questionable:
“Rolls Royce and Malaysian Airlines are said to have a partnership that requires the engine to transmit live data to its global engine health monitoring center in Derby, UK every 30 minutes. Investigators are said to have used the ACARS information uploaded to the engine maker.”
Additionally, we learned about the controversial on board device known as the Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot (Fly-By-Wire remote control) that has supposedly been equipped in all Boeing planes since 1995, according to Field McConnell, a retired 35 year Delta pilot, “This information was apparently not released until March of 2007, following a subsequent lawsuit by McConnell. The modification was reported to the FAA, NTSB and ALPA ( airline pilots association). According to McConnell’s documents, Boeing is said to have stated that by end of 2009 all Boeing planes would be fitted with the BUAP - making them impossible to manually hijack within the plane but susceptible to remote control by the military, according the flight veteran.”
MH17 Was Diverted For Explosion
So what could account for the lapse in radar systems just before MH17 crashed?
According to a YouTube report by POTRBLOG, there was evidence that military craft had been deployed in the area, which would reveal what could have provided the radar coverage, corroborating other accounts by Spanish air traffic control, that fighter jets were nearby the passenger plane before it was downed.
There are other pressing questions that need to be answered, as it has been confirmed by Malaysia Airlines itself, that Kiev-based Ukrainian air controllers had requested that MH17 lower its altitude just before the plane’s demise. Add to this, the fact that this MH17 passenger jet was redirected so it would fly directly through a war-zone where a number of planes and helicopters had apparently been shot down over the last three weeks.
If indeed a SAM ground missile system was used in the downing of MH17, then it would have required assistance in the form of radar guidance – a capability not even remotely known to be in the hands of rebels in Eastern Ukraine, but was certainly in the possession of NATO-backed Defense Ministry in Kiev.
The report below details a substance used by military planes to obscure an aircraft from radar and radar guided missiles called ‘Chaff’…
Incredibly, this is the ‘evidence’ being touted by Washington and their friends in Kiev, that Russia is to blame for the downing of MH17, a 5 second YouTube video depicting with what appears to be a ‘BUK’ SAM defense system in transit on the back of a truck. Despite US corporate media reporters’ (like CNN’s Andersen Cooper yesterday) insistence that ‘a missile is missing’, there is zero evidence to even suggest that it was used, let alone, used in this explosion…
Overwhelming Evidence Points to a Staged Event
On many fronts the official narrative of this story is being challenged, as military involvement would more likely indicate Ukrainian forces or those in support of them, with their easy access to air-defense weapons and given the vitriolic cries condemning the Russian’s before all the evidence has properly reviewed, it creates a clearer picture that the West is backing this highly propagandized witch-hunt - further exposing their role in the destabilization of Ukraine and continued the frame-up of Russia.
Here’s the alleged raw footage of the downed MH17 airliner…
In conjunction with the geopolitical side of the MH17 event there was other odd evidence that seemed to defy logic. Below are a series of photographs depicting passports in perfectly mint condition, intact belongings found at, or near the crash site, and a flight radar screen shot showing that Flight MH17 was actually canceled…
IMAGE: ‘Strange evidence’ - 60-year-old Dutch psychologist Jolette Nuesink’s passport was found at the crash site in near mint condition along with dozens of others also in pristine shape. There will be many more passenger stories and photos to hook the public on the official narrative of the incident but you should be looking at the forensic evidence and the geopolitical ramifications (Photo smh.com)
How was it possible for these passports to be in such great condition at the crash site following such a large explosion?
IMAGE: ‘Planting passports?’ – Again here we see the gathering of passports near the MH17 crash site, notice they don’t have scratch on them. There were eyewitness report seeing charred bodies falling from the sky, raising more questions about the items that avoided being burned up at the crash scene
(Photo news.com)
IMAGE: ‘Without damage’ – Suspiciously, there were dozens of passports reportedly found at or near the MH17 wreckage, a crime scene reminiscent of the flight 93 crash site on 9/11, another scene mired in distortion that somehow produced near perfect passports after an apparent downed airliner during the questionable events that day (Photo news.com)
IMAGE: Faked? ‘A staged production’ – luggage and belongings seemingly untouched after the allegedly downed airliner, complete with an ‘I Love Amsterdam’ T-shirt splayed out for maximum effect (Photo thepositivevibe.com)
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IMAGE: ‘Shedding light on the mystery of MH17′ – Here is an apparent screen shot from Flightradar24 that shockingly shows that the doomed Malaysian flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, MH17 was canceled (Photo flightradar24.com)
Above is a direct link to Flightradar24 for those who doubt the authenticity of the photo. Was this a glitch, or is the information on the site accurate? If nothing else, this is another bizarre finding in the case of MH17.
In a bizarre twist, early on in this story, AOL reported how a pro-Russia commander in eastern Ukraine, named Igor Girkin, has stated that he felt the bodies near the crash site appeared to be dead for days:
“A significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” suggesting that the bodies may have been tampered with as they were said to have been drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.
One can’t help but to connect the downed MH17 and the still as yet to be explained disappearance of MH370, comments like Girkin’s only add fuel to that fire. Only time will tell if the two flights are related in some way, or whether it was shot down or there was a bomb onboard but this highly theatrical event is seemingly meant to punish Russia, just as Syria’s government was similarly punished with false chemical weapons allegations last year.
Washington is now openly leveraging their own predetermined conclusions in order to push through yet more sanctions against Russia, as well as isolate Russia on the world diplomatic stage. A number geopolitical commentators have already pointed out that Washington and their NATO allies’ chief objective through this entire Ukrainian Civil War is not only to expand the EU and NATO eastward (as is both their public policy objectives), more urgently – to push Russia far enough back that another move can be made towards Syria by defense planners in Washington.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/07/19/fl...questions/
http://rt.com/usa/174008-ron-paul-malays...ine-crash/
Referring to the tragic downing of a Malaysian Airlines plane over eastern Ukraine, former Texas congressman Ron Paul warned against jumping to conclusions over the culprits.
Drawing parallels between the potential for a Russian-made missile system’s connection to the attack of the passenger jet on Thursday over the restive Donetsk region of Ukraine and the capture of US-made weapons by Islamist insurgents in Iraq, Paul pointed out that the missile’s potential source of manufacture was largely immaterial.
“That may well be true, but guess what, ISIS has a lot of American weapons," said Paul. "We sent weapons into Syria to help the rebels and al-Qaida ends up getting it — it doesn't mean that our American government and Obama deliberately wanted ISIS to get American weapons."
"So who gets the weapons is a big difference between how they got them and what happened and what the motivations were," Paul added. "So even if it was a Russian weapon — doesn't mean a lot."
Speculation of direct involvement by the Kremlin, whether directly or through “proxies” in the form of pro-Russian militia in Ukraine, in particular seems propagandized, Paul told NewsMax on Friday.
Unverified video footage has been circulated as proof of involvement by Ukrainian militia members, though the aircraft's black boxes have yet to be retrieved, and there remain many questions unanswered as investigators have trickled into the crash site.
"Under these circumstances, it's very difficult to get the real information so everybody's angling to propagandize and make their position known," said Paul.
"It'd be unwise to say, well, the Russians did it, or the Ukrainian government did it, or the rebels did it."
The ‘Buk’ anti-aircraft system in question has been the source of wide speculation in Western media. In use since the 1970s, the weapons system was designed and produced by the former Soviet Union and have been present in Ukraine since its dissolution, and has seen deployment in a number of countries including Finland, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Belarus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaeSwhen4...8QcWEJ3Smg
FINAL – Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing #MH17
Eyewitness Accounts July 18, 2014 Comments: 62
FLASH UPDATE: Industry Outlet Confirms Carlos (@spainbuca) as ATC at Borispol in Kiev
(See the Text of Carlos / @spainbuca Tweets Below the Article)
Original: EturboNews (ETN Global Travel Industry News) – July 17, 2014
ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.
This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.
The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.
Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.
Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.
Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.
Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.
According to other rumors, the black box for this crashed Malaysian Airlines flight was taken by Donetsk separatists. A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow.
The First Deputy Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed People’s Republic of Donetsk, Andrew Purgin, stated that the flight recorders of the crashed aircraft will be transferred to Moscow for examination.
Sources say the Rebel group leadership hopes this would confirm the Ukrainian military actually shot down this aircraft. This was reported by the news agency Interfax-Ukraine.
ETN statement: The information in this article is independently confirmed and based on the statement of one airline controller and other tweets received.
Translated from Spanish by Luis Lopez
Source: Tweets by Spanish Air Controller - @spainbuca
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10:21 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos
“Kiev Authorities, trying to make looks like an attack by pro-Russian”
10:24 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros
“warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers”
10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba
“Warning! Kiev have what they wanted”
10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev
“[Miitary] has taken control of ATC in Kiev”
10:27 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado
“The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed”
10:30 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente
“Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident”
10:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT
“Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT”
10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev,
“An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport”
10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro
“they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment”
10:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev
“Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev”
11:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nosotros tenemos la confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora
“We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now”
11:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información
“What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information”
11:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuando sea posible sigo escribiendo
“When possible I´ll keep writing”
11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,
The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar,
11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza
“If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter”
12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?
“Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?”
12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí
“7:00 minutes after [plane dissapeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ”
12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también
“all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also”
13:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos
“Here the military commanders manage and support it could be military following other orders , but no, the pro-Russian”
13:29 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, .
“Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.”
13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden
“Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from”
13:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko
“Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following timishenko orders]”
13:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos
“The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes”
13:43 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo
“Airspace closed”
13:45 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos
“Airspace is closed, more downings feared”
15:17 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil
“military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile”
15:23 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado
“Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down”
15:26 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes
“The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas”
15:34 – 17 de jul. de 2014Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no
“Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t”
15:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine
“military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine”
15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior
“For those who do not know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister”
15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, .
“The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .”
16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,
“Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,”
16:07 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares que si lo sabían y otros mandos que no,
“military commanders that knew it and others didn´t ,”
16:08 – 17 de jul. de 2014 290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero
“290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money”
16:09 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos
“Thw way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made us think that they [made it]”
16:10 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas
“The face of the soldiers who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts”
16:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Es tal la decadencia que los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión
“Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their version”
16:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nuestra respuesta, fue, estos radares no recogen el lanzamiento de misiles, los militares si, ya no quedaban dudas
“Our response was, these radars do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones does, there were no doubts”
Ukraine's Security Service Has Confiscated Air Traffic Control Recordings With Malaysian Jet
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Earlier, when we commented in the abnormality in the flight path of flight MH-17 we said that "perhaps before coming to "certain" conclusion about the involvement of this rebel or that, the key questions one should ask before casting blame, is why did the pilot divert from his usual flight plan, why did he fly above restricted airspace, and just what, if any instructions, did Kiev air control give the pilot in the minutes before the tragic explosion?"
The simple answer would have come if Ukraine had merely released the Air Traffic Control recording from the tower and flight MH 17, something Malaysia did in the aftermath of the disappearance of flight MH 370, which at last check has still not been uncovered.
It now appears that answer will not be forthcoming because as the BBC reports "Ukraine's SBU security service has confiscated recordings of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the crew of the doomed airliner, a source in Kiev has told Interfax news agency."
What happens to the recordings next is completely unknown. What is known is that any hope of getting an undoctored explanation why the plane flew as it did, or what the pilots may have seen or said in the moments before the explosion, is forever gone.
It also means that any hope of actually working with facts instead of emotional appeals, and getting to the bottom of the Malaysian airline tragedy, resides in what may be recorded by the black box, whose location right now is now exactly clear. From the Independent:
"Ukraine's emergency services have found two black boxes at the crash site of the downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, the governor of eastern Ukraine's Donetsk region has been quoted as saying.
"Two black boxes were found by our emergency services. I have no information on where these boxes are at the moment," Kostyantyn Batovsky told the Interfax-Ukraine news agency.
Pro-Russian separatists in the region said on Thursday they had found one black box when the Malaysian airliner came down between Krasni Luch in Luhansk region and Shakhtarsk in the neighbouring region of Donetsk.
The Interfax-Ukraine news agency had claimed the first black box has been sent to Moscow for analysis, the BBC reported. The news agency now reports a second black box has been recovered at the crash site.
Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has been quoted as saying Russia does not plan to take the "black box" flight recorders from downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in territory held by pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine,
However, separatist leader Aleksandr Borodai told the Associated Press: "No black boxes have been found ... We hope that experts will track them down and create a picture of what has happened."
A spokesman for the Emergencies Ministry in Kiev declined to comment on the report.
In other words, even more fact-free confusion and speculation which is just what a propaganda-based reporting system needs.
And so, just like in the case of flight MH-370, what actually happened with MH-17 may never be known.
http://rt.com/news/173964-ukraine-malays...ted-calls/
Unverified tape released by Kiev presented as ‘proof’ E. Ukraine militia downed MH17
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The Ukrainian Security Service has released what it calls “intercepted phone conversations,” which are supposed to prove that Donetsk self-defense forces shot down Malaysia Airlines MH17 flight on Thursday – presumably, by mistake.
The 2:33 minute clip, which Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) posted on YouTube in Ukrainian, English, German, French, Spanish, Polish, Turkish and Japanese versions, consists of three separate “conversations.”
The first “conversation” allegedly takes place between – according to SBU’s titles – militia group commander nicknamed “Bes” (“Igor Bezler”) and his alleged coordinator, “Vasily Geranin,” who is titled in the video as “a colonel of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces.”
“Bes” and “Geranin” are speaking about a downing of a jet, without clarifying if it’s a military or a civilian aircraft.
The second “conversation,” which allegedly happens between anti-Kiev militia members – nicknamed “Major” and “Grek” – reveals that the crashed plane was “a 100 per cent passenger aircraft.”
The third and final segment sets things straight as an unnamed “militia member” tells an alleged “Cossack commander” titled as “Nikolay Kozitsin,” that there’s ‘Malaysia Airlines’ marking on the downed plane.
The Western media has picked up the news, despite it being impossible to verify the authenticity of the leaked conversations.
Meanwhile, some alternative media outlets are already accusing Kiev authorities of cooking up a fake.
The commentators point out that the discussion between “Bes” and “Geranin” may well refer to the Ukrainian Su-25 jet, which militia members downed on June 16.
There are also doubts spoken out, that that the unnamed “militia member” from the third tape segment could distinguish “Malaysia Airlines” marking on the aircraft as it was turned into rubble by the crash and fell down in small pieces scattered around a large territory.
RT has managed to contact Evgeny Kruzhin, who is a medic in the militia group accused of bringing the plane down, through his LIveJournal page. He told RT that the fighters nicknamed Major and Grek really do exist, but claimed that they remained in the town of Enakievo when the jet crashed – while the second “conversation” on the tape says that the plane was “shot down from the Chernukhino checkpoint.” Chernukhino is a settlement located some 25 kilometers from Enakievo.
“Therefore, they have no connection to either the plane’s downing, or the examination of the crash site,” Kruzhin stressed.
People stand, on July 17, 2014, amongst the wreckages of the malaysian airliner carrying 295 people from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur after it crashed, near the town of Shaktarsk. (AFP Photo / Dominique Faget)People stand, on July 17, 2014, amongst the wreckages of the malaysian airliner carrying 295 people from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur after it crashed, near the town of Shaktarsk. (AFP Photo / Dominique Faget)
Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 carrying almost 300 people on board crashed on Thursday as it was flying over Ukraine’s Donetsk Region.
The cause of the crash is yet to be established by investigators, although both Kiev and the E.Ukrainian militias deny responsibility and blame the other.
Donetsk militia declared that they simply don’t have the military equipment to shoot down a plane from 10,000-meter altitude, while Kiev said it could not have fired a missile at the passing civilian plane because it had no Buk missile launchers deployed in the region.
Meanwhile the Russian Defense Ministry said that the Ukrainian military has several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers, capable of bringing down high-flying jets, in the Donetsk region where the Malaysian passenger plane crashed.
Kiev deployed powerful anti-air systems to E. Ukraine ahead of the Malaysian plane crash
Later it added that a Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational in the region and deployed at a site from which it could have fired a missile at the airliner.
Ukrainian Buk battery radar was operational when Malaysian plane downed - Moscow
The south-east of Ukraine remains the scene of heavy fighting between Kiev troops and the militia, who refuse to recognize the regime change in Kiev and demand federalization.
http://rt.com/news/174128-lugansk-osce-death-toll/
Militia fights off Ukrainian army offensive on Luhansk
World July 19, 23:42 UTC+4
The Ukrainian army tried to approach the city from two sides, the press service of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic said.
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LUGANSK, July 19 /ITAR-TASS/. Militia fought off the Ukrainian army offensive in the eastern city of Luhansk on Saturday, July 19, causing the government troops to sustain heavy losses both in manpower and materiel, the press service of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) said.
250 civilian persons killed in Luhansk region of Ukraine since beginning of summer - OSCE
“In the first half of the day July 19 active fighting took place in the vicinity of Luhansk. The Ukrainian army tried to approach the city from two sides… apparently facing two tasks: to cut off the road to Donetsk and unblock the airport. In both directions, the aggressor was fought off by the LNR units… as a result, the enemy sustained serious losses both in manpower and materiel, retreating from its positions,” the press service said.
About 11:00 local time, Ukrainian Air Force helicopters fired at the militia positions near the town of Aleksandrovsk but “the missiles missed the target”, the press service said.
It said the Ukrainian army’s artillery fire had practically destroyed the village of Popasnoye. Its residents “are hiding in the cellars to avoid sniper fire”.
The army also conducted fire in Severodonetsk and Lisichansk.
Ukrainian Defence Minister Valery Geletei earlier reported to President Pyotr Poroshenko that the army had taken the south-eastern part of Luhansk and its airport under control.
However, the LNR press service denied that. “The Ukrainian troops did not take any parts in the south-east of Luhansk. Everyone remains on its previous positions,” it said.
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It’s hard to watch the news pouring out about this latest obviously staged airliner hoax. The essence once again, as was the last lost Malaysian flight, is diversion and misdirection. This time from the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestine. What are we hearing about the brutal incursion into Gaza by the massive, vicious Israeli army intent on bulldozing those innocent residents into the sea? Almost nothing.
The US anti Russia rhetoric is another smokescreen. All of this is to gin up anger, hatred and most of all get your mind off what’s really going down.
What does the magician do? Draw your attention to one hand while the other is busy preparing the next trick. That these airliner tragedies are intertwined events is no mere coincidence. Already reports are coming in that the passengers were dead long before the crash, never mind that there was a duplicate Malaysian airliner in a Tel Aviv hangar all along, that jet fighters were tailing the plane, or that the MH17 commercial route resumed routinely following the incident. One easily wonders if that original flight was even out of Schiphol airport, which by the way doesn’t normally fly over Ukraine.
Smells like 9/11, doesn’t it.
Same planners. Same perpetrators. That’s why.
The Mushed Mass Mind is a Sitting Duck
Taking the initiative has so many advantages; the controlling manipulators know this and use it to the hilt. If you create the chaos, the body has to react. While it’s reacting you can get away with just about anything in some other quadrant of mass consciousness, especially when you control the media, formulating world opinion while muzzling honest reporting or open discourse. Notice your own mind right now. Poof! Israel’s invasion and ethnic cleansing isn’t even on your radar while you scour for proof this was a false flag airliner crash. See? It works.
Such is the world we’re presently living in.
Meanwhile we have no pictures, no reporting, not even a look into what is going on in Gaza in the ongoing genocide of our Gazan family. It’s pushed aside, deliberately and oh so conveniently. All the while this scraping of Gaza was openly called for by Israeli spokespeople previous to the staged so-called abduction of 3 Israeli teenagers, which fell conveniently before the massive assault on Gaza began. Staged terror at its worst, and most blatant.
Now Is the Time to Expose the Zionist Influence
While Israel’s ongoing murderous crime has been ongoing since its imposed inception with many horrific pogroms on the Palestinian people as they’ve gobbled up their land, this latest incident is the most blatant outright genocidal aggression yet. They apparently know that, and created these smokescreen airliner events with lap dog American complicity who have cooperatively upped the rhetoric, and distraction, with their anti-Russia sabre rattling.
Clever bastards, eh? Not so if you’re awake enough to have a heart and are even beginning see what’s really going on.
This latest incursion into Gaza is by far the most blatant and obvious yet, and many are seeing it. To raze a captive populace based on a supposed kidnapping and a few mortars by a defenseless imprisoned people is as obvious as it gets. And the most heartbreaking.
The indictment goes to those who fall for this propaganda. The asleep followers whose noses are turned at the latest blush of distracting news instead of realizing what is really happening are the culprits.
It’s time to stop being hypnotized by these bastards.
It’s time to activate and stand up for what is true and right.
Stop fearing the Zionist reaction, it’s a planted entrainment in your mind.
Speak the Truth. Boldly. Stand upright as the living, conscious soul that you are.
Just do it.
Love, Zen
Flight MH17 Conjures MH370, Exposing Western Deception, Leading To More Questions
JULY 19, 2014 BY SHAWN HELTON 10 COMMENTS
Shawn Helton
21stCentury Wire
There are many questions surrounding the ‘downed’ Malaysian airliner MH17, one must keep their eyes peeled, as the volatile landscape within Ukraine and the Middle East is front and center with regards to this latest high-flying tragedy…
Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 was apparently bound from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur on Thursday evening and was said to have ‘disappeared’ from radar prior to crashing near the settlement of Grabovo, in Eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk region, with the deaths of all 298 members on the plane, after it was originally stated the count was 295.
The human tragedy is incomprehensible, and a very sad ordeal for the victims families. The the potential damage doesn’t end there, however, as Washington and its allies are working overtime to try and establish guilt in the court of public opinion. It’s the type of pretext event which could easily spiral geopolitical rivals further towards a military confrontation in the short term.
IMAGE: A section of MH17 fuselage on the ground is but one key identifiable piece found in perfect condition, no burn marks or impact damage – without a scratch (Photo: Mashable)
Initial western media reports have suggested that the 777 Boeing was shot down by a SAM missile unit, leading Western governments and heavy-handed media outlets to hastily blame pro-Russian separatists for the incident without producing any real evidence. The sudden tragic end to MH17, has had a fiery backdrop provided by other regions of the world as well, as Israel has engaged in a ground invasion of Gaza, while Iraq has been wrought with manufactured terror for months, both of which are undoubtedly political factors contributing to the polarization of the MH17 incident.
There seems to be a heavy bias within media reports concerning the ‘doomed’ flight, prompting Russia’s Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov, to lambaste the West for drawing such a quick conclusion, without any verifiable evidence, as told to RT news:
“They try to show to the whole world that we are responsible for the crash. It is very strange that without any evidence my colleagues from western media would like to find somebody who is responsible for the crash,” Antonov stated. “It seems to me that this is part of information warfare which has been started against the Russian Federation and armed forces.” He also added, “As for me, I don’t want to use this opportunity to blame anybody. I would just like to raise few questions for my colleagues from the armed forces of Ukraine,” Antonov said. “I hope they try to answer the questions, it will be a good opportunity for us to realize where we are, whether there is a possibility for us to restart cooperation and to find who is really responsible for the tragedy.”
It should also be mentioned that Putin condemned the apparent plane attack when it was first announced, calling for a ceasefire between what Washington refers to as ‘pro-Russian separatist’ rebels and Kiev’s Western-backed Ukrainian armed forces in the wake of MH17′s downing – the third such ceasefire proposal which Washington has worked hard to undermine, preferring to politically and financially fuel the Ukrainian civil war from the outside.
IMAGE: ‘Burning evidence’ – The MH17 crash site near Grabovo in Ukraine’s Donetsk region. MH17 was apparently downed on the anniversary of TWA flight 800. While officials have stated that Flight 800 was downed in the Atlantic Ocean because of a feul tank explosion in 1996, many critics have doubted those claims stating that the plane was shot down due to the forensic evidence compiled. (Photo channelnewsasia.com)
Many will debate the cause of the MH17′s demise, as there are many anomalies surrounding this incident, as critics have already begun to question the crash itself, something of which we’ll look into a bit later, but before we do, one should examine those who are most likely to carry out such a dark event, via their access to air-defense equipment. 21WIRE’s own Andrew McKillop, weighed in on this very idea in his article entitled, “FLIGHT MH17 – KIEV FLASH MOB’S LAST FALSE FLAG?”:
“While there is no certainty the pro-Russian rebels hold advanced SAM air defence weapons, they are certainly in the hands of the Kiev flash mob government, alongside the advanced AAM weapons they also “inherited” from the elected government they overthrew. The onus of military proof is stacked against Kiev, leaving only the question of political motive or motives for the incident.”
Relevant Background History
Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 was shot down over the Black Sea in October of 2001 by the Ukrainian military in a flight traveling from Tel Aviv to Russia. It was first reported that Russian forces had been responsible for the areonuatical disaster, but the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC) stated that the incident was caused by a surface-to-air missile strike by the Ukrainian military following a more lengthy investigation. US intelligence has claimed that Russia supplied the air-defense system but history tells a different tale.
There was said to be at least three cargo planes shot down this week by Ukrainian forces and according to Anton Lavrov, an independent aviation analyst and noted military expert, Ukraine has held many air-defense systems since Soviet times, outlining a trail of money leading back to the United States government, revealing its foreign policy blow-back:
“Ukraine has had many portable air-defense systems since Soviet times. They were even disposing of them with the help of U.S. money.”
Washington’s World War via Social Media
So what about reports suggesting Russia supplied the armaments used to allegedly shoot down MH17?
United States intelligence has been busy trying to ‘build’ a case against Russia in the aftermath of MH17 and have suggested that the SAM defense system allegedly used to shoot down MH17 was brought back to Russia.
Western media been been busy, heavily pressing on the unverified conversations released on YouTube allegedly depicting a ‘BUK’ SAM missile system for 5 seconds – with no verification of where or when the brief video clip originated, but that hasn’t stopped ever major US media and radio program from stating that this somehow constitutes a closed case. The other ‘evidence’ US media is holding up is an unconfirmed Tweet from ‘rebels’ boasting about shooting down a passenger airliner.
The distortion through various social media over MH17, seems reminiscent of Secretary of State John Kerry‘s ‘open source evidence’ in Syria, allegedly showing young victims of chemical warfare - later we learned these videos had been fabricated to justify Washington’s war ambitions with Syria.
According to military analyst at the Institute for Political and Military Analysis, Alexander Khramchikhin, Ukrainian’s were the ones with ability to down the aircraft from weapons procured from Ukrainian bases after their change in government. The following quotes are from a recent interview that Khramchikhin had with The Moscow Times:
“The only reason Russia would supply armaments to insurgents now is get rid of its own scrap metal,” continuing he added, “The proof that the Ukrainian authorities presented is laughable. It is aimed at a Ukrainian public that does not care about evidence.”
MH17 has followed the unprecedented and highly controversial disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 back in March. Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was said to have disappeared from the sky in the early hours of Saturday, March 8th, 2014, subsequently over at 35,000 feet heading in a flight bound for Beijing. The flight was carrying some 227 passengers and 12 crew members and had its flight path redirected, triggering many theories, as evidence suggested the flight had been deliberately taken off course and possibly landed. Many aeronautical experts agreed that the MH370′s apparent vanishing did indeed defy logic as it was ‘highly unusual’ if not outright unprecedented - at that altitude.
During the wave of MH370 reports in March, I outlined the many systems in place used to track the whereabouts of a Boeing 777 at all times, making the false reports by satellites very questionable:
“Rolls Royce and Malaysian Airlines are said to have a partnership that requires the engine to transmit live data to its global engine health monitoring center in Derby, UK every 30 minutes. Investigators are said to have used the ACARS information uploaded to the engine maker.”
Additionally, we learned about the controversial on board device known as the Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot (Fly-By-Wire remote control) that has supposedly been equipped in all Boeing planes since 1995, according to Field McConnell, a retired 35 year Delta pilot, “This information was apparently not released until March of 2007, following a subsequent lawsuit by McConnell. The modification was reported to the FAA, NTSB and ALPA ( airline pilots association). According to McConnell’s documents, Boeing is said to have stated that by end of 2009 all Boeing planes would be fitted with the BUAP - making them impossible to manually hijack within the plane but susceptible to remote control by the military, according the flight veteran.”
MH17 Was Diverted For Explosion
So what could account for the lapse in radar systems just before MH17 crashed?
According to a YouTube report by POTRBLOG, there was evidence that military craft had been deployed in the area, which would reveal what could have provided the radar coverage, corroborating other accounts by Spanish air traffic control, that fighter jets were nearby the passenger plane before it was downed.
There are other pressing questions that need to be answered, as it has been confirmed by Malaysia Airlines itself, that Kiev-based Ukrainian air controllers had requested that MH17 lower its altitude just before the plane’s demise. Add to this, the fact that this MH17 passenger jet was redirected so it would fly directly through a war-zone where a number of planes and helicopters had apparently been shot down over the last three weeks.
If indeed a SAM ground missile system was used in the downing of MH17, then it would have required assistance in the form of radar guidance – a capability not even remotely known to be in the hands of rebels in Eastern Ukraine, but was certainly in the possession of NATO-backed Defense Ministry in Kiev.
The report below details a substance used by military planes to obscure an aircraft from radar and radar guided missiles called ‘Chaff’…
Incredibly, this is the ‘evidence’ being touted by Washington and their friends in Kiev, that Russia is to blame for the downing of MH17, a 5 second YouTube video depicting with what appears to be a ‘BUK’ SAM defense system in transit on the back of a truck. Despite US corporate media reporters’ (like CNN’s Andersen Cooper yesterday) insistence that ‘a missile is missing’, there is zero evidence to even suggest that it was used, let alone, used in this explosion…
Overwhelming Evidence Points to a Staged Event
On many fronts the official narrative of this story is being challenged, as military involvement would more likely indicate Ukrainian forces or those in support of them, with their easy access to air-defense weapons and given the vitriolic cries condemning the Russian’s before all the evidence has properly reviewed, it creates a clearer picture that the West is backing this highly propagandized witch-hunt - further exposing their role in the destabilization of Ukraine and continued the frame-up of Russia.
Here’s the alleged raw footage of the downed MH17 airliner…
In conjunction with the geopolitical side of the MH17 event there was other odd evidence that seemed to defy logic. Below are a series of photographs depicting passports in perfectly mint condition, intact belongings found at, or near the crash site, and a flight radar screen shot showing that Flight MH17 was actually canceled…
IMAGE: ‘Strange evidence’ - 60-year-old Dutch psychologist Jolette Nuesink’s passport was found at the crash site in near mint condition along with dozens of others also in pristine shape. There will be many more passenger stories and photos to hook the public on the official narrative of the incident but you should be looking at the forensic evidence and the geopolitical ramifications (Photo smh.com)
How was it possible for these passports to be in such great condition at the crash site following such a large explosion?
IMAGE: ‘Planting passports?’ – Again here we see the gathering of passports near the MH17 crash site, notice they don’t have scratch on them. There were eyewitness report seeing charred bodies falling from the sky, raising more questions about the items that avoided being burned up at the crash scene
(Photo news.com)
IMAGE: ‘Without damage’ – Suspiciously, there were dozens of passports reportedly found at or near the MH17 wreckage, a crime scene reminiscent of the flight 93 crash site on 9/11, another scene mired in distortion that somehow produced near perfect passports after an apparent downed airliner during the questionable events that day (Photo news.com)
IMAGE: Faked? ‘A staged production’ – luggage and belongings seemingly untouched after the allegedly downed airliner, complete with an ‘I Love Amsterdam’ T-shirt splayed out for maximum effect (Photo thepositivevibe.com)
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IMAGE: ‘Shedding light on the mystery of MH17′ – Here is an apparent screen shot from Flightradar24 that shockingly shows that the doomed Malaysian flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, MH17 was canceled (Photo flightradar24.com)
Above is a direct link to Flightradar24 for those who doubt the authenticity of the photo. Was this a glitch, or is the information on the site accurate? If nothing else, this is another bizarre finding in the case of MH17.
In a bizarre twist, early on in this story, AOL reported how a pro-Russia commander in eastern Ukraine, named Igor Girkin, has stated that he felt the bodies near the crash site appeared to be dead for days:
“A significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” suggesting that the bodies may have been tampered with as they were said to have been drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.
One can’t help but to connect the downed MH17 and the still as yet to be explained disappearance of MH370, comments like Girkin’s only add fuel to that fire. Only time will tell if the two flights are related in some way, or whether it was shot down or there was a bomb onboard but this highly theatrical event is seemingly meant to punish Russia, just as Syria’s government was similarly punished with false chemical weapons allegations last year.
Washington is now openly leveraging their own predetermined conclusions in order to push through yet more sanctions against Russia, as well as isolate Russia on the world diplomatic stage. A number geopolitical commentators have already pointed out that Washington and their NATO allies’ chief objective through this entire Ukrainian Civil War is not only to expand the EU and NATO eastward (as is both their public policy objectives), more urgently – to push Russia far enough back that another move can be made towards Syria by defense planners in Washington.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/07/19/fl...questions/
http://rt.com/usa/174008-ron-paul-malays...ine-crash/
Referring to the tragic downing of a Malaysian Airlines plane over eastern Ukraine, former Texas congressman Ron Paul warned against jumping to conclusions over the culprits.
Drawing parallels between the potential for a Russian-made missile system’s connection to the attack of the passenger jet on Thursday over the restive Donetsk region of Ukraine and the capture of US-made weapons by Islamist insurgents in Iraq, Paul pointed out that the missile’s potential source of manufacture was largely immaterial.
“That may well be true, but guess what, ISIS has a lot of American weapons," said Paul. "We sent weapons into Syria to help the rebels and al-Qaida ends up getting it — it doesn't mean that our American government and Obama deliberately wanted ISIS to get American weapons."
"So who gets the weapons is a big difference between how they got them and what happened and what the motivations were," Paul added. "So even if it was a Russian weapon — doesn't mean a lot."
Speculation of direct involvement by the Kremlin, whether directly or through “proxies” in the form of pro-Russian militia in Ukraine, in particular seems propagandized, Paul told NewsMax on Friday.
Unverified video footage has been circulated as proof of involvement by Ukrainian militia members, though the aircraft's black boxes have yet to be retrieved, and there remain many questions unanswered as investigators have trickled into the crash site.
"Under these circumstances, it's very difficult to get the real information so everybody's angling to propagandize and make their position known," said Paul.
"It'd be unwise to say, well, the Russians did it, or the Ukrainian government did it, or the rebels did it."
The ‘Buk’ anti-aircraft system in question has been the source of wide speculation in Western media. In use since the 1970s, the weapons system was designed and produced by the former Soviet Union and have been present in Ukraine since its dissolution, and has seen deployment in a number of countries including Finland, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Belarus.