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1 – 12:00 – July 16, 2014 – Briefing from the LPR Militia for the First Half of July 16, 2014

The past evening and night in the Lugansk region were relatively calm. Suffering substantial losses, the enemy continued its retreat from Provalye and Marinovka, heading toward Biryukovo, where it was also met by LPR units and sustained losses. Near Lugansk, the aggressor, on the one hand, continued to retreat from its positions near the settlements of Aleksandrovka, Yubileyniy and Ekaterinovka and, on the other hand, started to grow its grouping in the vicinity of Shchastye. In particular, at about 08:00, an enemy column, noted to include 6 Grad installations, passed through the Shchastye checkpoint. At night and in the morning, enemy fighter aircrafts ascended into the sky on several occasions. They flew at a substantial elevation, no less than 6,000 metres. The previous evening a Su-25 ground attack craft conducted an airstrike at the Ukrainian Ministry of Emergency base nominally controlled by Kiev, in the process destroying special equipment necessary in the event if a chemical leak were to affect the territory. At about 11:00, a saboteur group, operating from the territory of the Milam enterprise, conducted mortar strikes, presumably at the location where Battalion Zarya is quartered. However, the shells fell on the territory of a trolley depot.

Graphic: Marinovka has been taken by the Militia. The punitive forces have been totally encircled. The southern cauldron has been firmly sealed (courtesy of The Saker at The Vineyard of the Saker)

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Graphic: Junta Defeat on LPR Territory - by Colonel Cassad @ Colonel Cassad in English





#2 – 15:06 – July 16, 2014 - Information from the Militia

Local resident of Avdeevka observed a small group of scruffy men in green camouflage in the Vinogradniki district. The men were inquiring about safe passage out of DPR. Clearly, they were the inmates of the airport and yet another group of deserters. Regarding how they manage to make it out, allow me to explain: the perimeter of the airport is fairly large and the boundaries of the airport area are directly adjacent to a wilderness area that contains a nearby forested zone. With respect to the destruction of the radio-location station – indeed, we conducted an operation to destroy communications on the tower (the tower itself will still be useful to us after victory), rather than to destroy the construction itself. Electrical power cables were taken out of commission. Ukies will not be able to restore them because the territory in the area, and not only there, is wide open to easy shelling. To ensure the safety of the Militia personnel, we are implementing preventive measures aimed at upsetting the enemy’s state of combat and psychological readiness.

#3 – 15:50 – July 16, 2014 – Briefing from the Militia

Marinovka has been taken by the Militia. The punitive forces have been totally encircled. The southern cauldron has been firmly sealed. The Ukrainian forces have only one chance to survive – to surrender to the Militia or to be interned on the territory of Russia.

On other areas of the southern front, the Militia also continues an active offensive. Artillery attacks on the Junta columns are being conducted. The Militia periodically uses Grad systems.

#4 - 17:05 – July 16, 2014 - Briefing from the Militia

We did a bit of damage to a Su jet over Gorlovka. It left in the direction of Mirgorod garnished with a thick black tail of smoke. Don’t think it will make it to the airfield with damage like that.

Near the Marinovka border checkpoint on the former Russian-Ukrainian border, a battle clash between the punitive forces and our assault group is ongoing.

The border checkpoint, controlled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, was attacked with 10 tanks, 5 BTRs and 200 militiamen. Two Ukies soldiers were killed in the very first minutes of the battle.

#5 – 17:16 – July 16, 2014 – Infromation from Militiaman Prokhorov

I would like to inform you that the retreat of Ukie 72nd and 79th aeromobile and the 24th mechanized brigades from the Izvarino area is gradually turning into a flight. Officers and soldiers alike are spreading panic over their telephones and other means of communication. You should be soon expecting a tsunami of calls from their relatives to the mass media.

Thus, the Ukie “air force offensive” is simply a loud fart into a puddle.

On the Ukrainian side of the Izvarino border checkpoint, the word “Ukraine” has been refashioned into “Ruin”. LPR and USSR flags are flying over the buildings.

14:40 (MSK) – Fighting has commenced in the Metallist area (the suburb of Lugansk).

The Nazi bastards withdrew out most of their armoured vehicles from Shchastye, transferring them to Noviy Aidar.

A new wave is coming at Saur-Mogila. When will Ukies will finally exhaust their supply of Su-24s? PZRKs (Personal Anti-Aircraft Complex) in Snezhnoye already have already fired off their salvos at the Ukrainian aircraft. At least one Su gained serious health problems during the previous air assaults.

The claim that an assassination attempt was made on the life of Ukraine’s Minister of Internal Affairs, Arsen Avakov is disinformation. He is Slavyansk, healthy as ever. Pure disinfo to distract the citizens from the Khokhlo-army’s defeats in the southern “intestine”.

#6 – 17:49 – July 16, 2014 – Briefing From the Militia

The DPR Militia claim two more Ukrainian jets near Saur-Mogila. The head of the DPR Militia Press-Service, Vladislav Brig, posted on his Facebook account:

“Two more Su jets were shot down. They were engaged in airstrikes at Saur-Mogila.”

#7 – 19:17 – July 16, 2014 – Information from Eyewitnesses

On the hottest parts of the front, Ukies have been observed throwing away their weapons, taking off their military markings, with some even removing their uniforms and changing into civilian clothes, and running toward the Russian border. Those who have no civilian clothes with them run with peeled-off epaulets. Some, and, in particular, members of the punitive battalions and Praviy Sector militants, have been seen stripping to their underwear.

#8 - 19:42 – July 16, 2014 - Briefing from Igor Strelkov

Heavy fighting continues near Marinovka. The village was twice bombed from high elevation. The enemy is concentrating its artillery and tanks against our grouping from the south and from the west. Battles are also continuing in the area south of Dmitrievka, where the enemy has concentrated an artillery grouping near Kozhevnya.

We lost 1 BTR (destroyed with a shot from an ATGM); the enemy suffered losses of 1 BTR and 1 BMP destroyed and 1 BMP-2 captured in working condition.

#9 – 19:34 – July 16, 2014 – Briefing from the Militia HQ

The enemy has been continuing its retreat from Provalye Marinovka (LPR), suffering substantial losses, heading in the direction of Biryukovo, where it was ambushed by LPR militiamen.

In the first half of the day, the enemy continued to increase its grouping on the approaches to Shchastye. MLRS Grad were pulled up to the location. Right now there is a withdrawal of Ukie forces to Novoaidar.

#10 – Good News from Donbass – Blog Entry by Colonel Cassad @ Colonel Cassad in English


From reliable sources in the DPR:

The junta military today rolled back from Izvarino and Krasnodon (a bit earlier the information arrived that the enemy is retreating from Alexandrovka and Schastye), without solving the main problem of blockading the former state border of Ukraine with the Russian Federation. After suffering large losses and having problems with supplies, on the 15-th day of the offensive the junta military retreated by about 30-40 km from Izvarino, south of which lies the self-styled “road of life”. This way, together with the growing defeat of the South punitive group and the failed attempt to unblock the Luhansk airport, the LPR militia won the strategic defensive operation which continued for more than two weeks, and the junta suffered its largest defeat since the start of the war. In essence, the charge of the mechanized forces to the rescue of the airport was a gamble by which they were trying to turn the failing operation around. In order to renew the offensive operation the junta urgently needs an operational pause, because the situation continues to get worse for it, which is why requests of cease-fire cannot be excluded in the nearest time, which of course will be rejected by the militia.
The story with Mr. Khodakovsky continues. Somewhat earlier he was stripped of the direct command of the “Vostok” battalion (which was reformed into a brigade, so it has to be called now the “Vostok” brigade), which was operationally reassigned to Strelkov and his headquarters that rely on the conceal of the commanders. Over Khodakovsky, who used to be the minister of the state security of the DPR, a representative of the “Bloody Gebnya” (i.e., KGB) emerged, lieutenant-general Antyufeev who is currently cleansing the consequences of the work of those who were involved with the attempts to surrender Donetsk. A few days ago Mr. Khodakovsky was explicitly offered to determine with whom he is – either with Akhmetov or with the DPR. Because no agreement in good faith was apparently reached, then according to the data of the source, Mr. Khodakovsky today scribbled a paper about resigning from all positions in the security block of the DPR, which was dropped on the table of the political leadership of the DPR. Will it be given motion is not yet clear, but it is quite probable that in the nearest time Mr. Khodakovsky may depart from the deck of the military and political leaders of the DPR, similarly to how recently the former Mayor of Donetsk Mr. Lukyanchenko fell out of it and ran into Kiev.
UPD: Mr. Strelkov already confirmed the fact of the resignation of Mr. Khodakovsky from the position of the Minister of State Security of the DPR, so the source once again confirmed its high degree of privity.
Strelkov: Indeed, Mr. Khodakovsky resigned from the position of the minister. But he continues to command “Vostok” and nobody is going to remove him.
This way Mr. Khodakovsky now remains just a field commander and dropped out of the political deck of the top of the DPR. One more consequence of the retreat from Slavyansk.
Restrained optimism reigns in the military leadership of the DPR and the LPR after the successes of the recent days. So things are moving.
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#12 – July 16, 2014 – Information from LifeNews

Sixteen wounded Ukrainian executioners were delivered across the border into Russia. The border guards and Junta servicemen wounded in the fighting are being treated at hospital of the Gukovo village in the Rostov region.

The number of Ukrainian soldier being attended to by Russian doctors has grown to 16 men. Three Ukrainian border guards are in intensive care; the all received wounds of various degrees of severity. The character of wounds varies – caused by shells, frags and shrapnel, as well as fractures and burns.

A source in the Militia provided information that the battle on the LPR territory is occurring only 10 kilometres away from the Russian village of Gukovo.

July 16, 2014 – Situation Report from the Militia

An accumulation of disparate parts of Ukie forces can be observed in the area of Amvrosievka – this is the outcome of our morning liberation of Marinovka (DPR). In the corse of a haphazard retreat in the direction of Mariupol, significant numbers of armoured vehicles in disrepair is being abandoned “on the march” (in quotations, as it is difficult to equate this flight to a march). The evacuation of non-military personnel has been substantially hampered.

We have information that separate units of the Junta forces, in an attempt to breakout from the Saurovsk cauldron, are running, stripping of their camouflage and dropping personal arms, almost naked to their underwear. Those who have civilian clothes are hastily changing, hoping to get lost among the civilian population. In Lugansk, the situation remains tense. We have radio located and now are tracking an enemy fire corrector.

20:00 (MSK) – We have received and now are confirming information about the shooting down of a transport aircraft (An-26) over Lugansk. An intensive battle has ensued at the Lugansk airport. A KPVT can be heard working, there are explosions. Near the square adjacent to the airport terminal there is thick black smoke.

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Today, not only the Russian mass media has raised the issue of the investigation of war crimes in Ukraine, but delegates of European media as well. Journalistic investigation led me to the Russian refugee camp, located not far from the place of military events. There is another world, though the planet is the same – the Earth. Water, food, light, absence of firing, a manifestation of humanity in everyday life allow people to feel safe again and with gratitude to accept the help and care in the neighboring state. All that they have lost overnight, continuing to remain citizens of Ukraine.

Before me there are those, who saw the war in the XXI century with their own eyes. I’m listening to them and internally I shudder at the thought that all this is experienced by the people whom 23 years ago we were unified with.

- For three days the relatives who remained in Lugansk haven’t slept. Happily you can still sleep at night as the sleep is impossible. Now there is a tank battle and a grenade attack. My mother called, crying.

Correspondent: Tell me, please, if the civilians tried to hang out any identification marks – the red cross flag or any flags so that they were not being bombed or shot.

- It`s useless! We tried it many times. The grandfather took a white flag when he went with children. They were all shot. They do not respond to any signs. The most terrible thing for those whose homes are near the mines is that they are destroyed. In settlements and in the city there are tipper-offs who orient mercenaries of the Kiev junta to bomb certain objects – shops, mines, hospitals. Snitches deliberately spread the rumors that the Chechens are located elsewhere. Since June 16, at 8 pm there have been bombed a military sports camp “Forest Dawns”, where there were only two watchmen and a granddaughter of one of the guards. I saw it with my own eyes how the aircraft dropped cluster bombs.

Correspondent: How did the armistice announced by Poroshenko go? Did the representatives of the National Guard suggest to hand over the weapon?

- There was armistice those days, they were shooting us as well. The weapon was never suggested to be handed over. Informants were waiting at places for the representatives of the National Guard and when they arrived, they only pointed the finger at those who had a different opinion and who participated in the defense of the territory. At schools at the Farewell Bell the children of such informers threatened our children: “I`ll shoot you and I`ll kill you”. It was the feeling that this was a zombie uttering. In the village Novoukrainka, of Luhansk region my acquaintances were talking in the company of neighbors and one of them said that they are leaving to Russia with the family the following morning. At night they were found dead. Only a 5-year-old child got to the intensive care, but I don’t know at all, whether he survived. After canceling the truce the bombing became more fierce. In the village Makarovo the locals asked the volunteers to remove a checkpoint to pass up. As soon as militants departed, the civilians were opened fire at. They rushed back crying “militants, help.” They were fleeing with children. But the soldiers of the National Guard were shooting them ruthlessly. The houses of my relatives from the settlement were completely destroyed. Now, being here, I don’t know what happened to my house at all.



Correspondent: How often do you communicate with your relatives who remain in Ukraine?

- Often, every day. But our calls are suppressed, the talk is permanently interrupted. When I call my relatives, they ask: “Don’t tell anything superfluous, talks are being monitored”. We try to communicate very quickly.

Correspondent: Tell me, what the relations between you, who are in favour of the declaration of the independence and those who are for the present Ukrainian power are?

- When we come across each other and have to communicate, everyone expresses their opinion. We treat them normally and quietly. They’ve got a completely different reaction. They are ready, figuratively speaking, “to scratch our eyes” and avoid any communication.

Correspondent: What do you think causes such aggression?

- First and foremost, they are defiantly against communicating in Russian. And second, after the referendum, when Poroshenko refused to recognize our voluntary decision.

Correspondent: Hasn’t the Ukrainian language become the national language for you during the years of independence of the republic?

- No. As many years as we have lived in our land for so many years we have been speaking only Russian. Someone on the outskirts of villages knows and can speak Ukrainian too, but it doesn’t cause any anger in us or desire to kill. Earlier the Ukrainian language was taught as a subject in schools, and now Russian is established as a separate subject, and all the lessons should be conducted in Ukrainian. It`s hard for children to study, they didn’t get used to it, many of them don’t understand the language. English is taught through Ukrainian. Children have to translate from English into Russian at first, and then into Ukrainian. Why is there such a complexity?

Correspondent: How is the higher education organised?

– The same. Students must address the professors only in Ukrainian. All the subjects are taught only in Ukrainian. The Russian groups of training aren’t present. Though it is more convenient to many professors to teach in Russian, they are obliged to teach in Ukrainian.

Correspondent: Does the majority of people run to Russia?

- Yes. Where else can we go? Those who have relatives in other regions of Ukraine, go there. We have no one there. But our children can’t go, for example, to Western Ukraine even to study. The daughter of my sister after leaving school wanted to enter a Medical Academy to study to study to be a pharmacist. In Lugansk, it was also possible to study, but it`s considered that this specialization is better taught in Lviv university. The girl called Lviv to find out what documents were necessary for the admission. She was immediately asked where she was from. As soon as they heard that she was from Lugansk region, they responded: “Prepare coffins.” And one more my acquaintance took out his wife to Ternopol to live at her aunt’s. At first, the wife was going shopping all by herself, but now she is afraid. Our dialect is different. You can hear the way we speak now.

Correspondent: It turns out, once defining your specific dialect, a feeling of hatred towards you is immediately erupted?

– It turns out so. Therefore, we have nowhere to run. I used to have friends earlier in Lviv and Lviv region. Now none of them keeps in touch with me.

Correspondent: Do you think you will be able to return to the territory of Ukraine soon?

– Where to return now when the power station and the railroad are blown up? There is no light, no gas, no food. Children are deprived of lives to sell their organs. The Russian journalists and television operators are killed to get rid of the proofs of the criminal actions. It`s awfully to see the torn bodies and guts. If the National Guard want to take away the corpses of the soldiers, the militants always give them such an opportunity. As soon as the militants try to carry away the soldiers from the battlefield, the National Guard open fire straightaway. They even shot the grandfather Ostap who asked to take away the perished militants: “Sonny, in fact you are the same people as we are. Give them away. I will bury the guys”. He was walking with a stick, he had his hair and beard all gray, whom could he do any harm? For what? Do they want to starve us because of the slate gas? It is necessary to America to have it by the means of such bloodshed?





Correspondent: What TV channels are broadcast at your place? Which of the things you have told about above are shown on the Ukrainian television?

– The Ukrainian channels didn’t show the truth, the actual state of things. We stopped watching them. We watch Russia 24 and Lifenews.

Correspondent: How are you accepted in Russia?

– Oh, in Russia we were met very well. Here in the camp for refugees the staff is remarkable and the volunteers help us absolutely free of charge. They provide us with the humanitarian assistance. Each time they are carrying heavy packets, we see how their hands almost come off, they come every day. We have meals here three times a day. The food is nutritious. We were starving back in Ukraine, we really had nothing to eat. We shared a meal among all in small piece. Here a sponsor who would not give his name, gave the gifts to 217 people last week, not only some delicious surprises for children, but also for all the adults. You know, we are given everything: washing powder, clothes pegs, blankets, and clothes. People come and ask: “Tell us what is it exactly that you need? We will go and will buy everything! Just tell what is necessary for you.” I never expected that there would be such a warm attitude at the moment of grief in my life.

Correspondent: So do you really feel that you have met brothers and sisters here?

– Yes, that’s this very feeling! My car broke down on the way here. It was impossible to be towed by a bus, so the volunteers have towed it here. Now they’re helping with the repair. You can’t imagine how greatly I have been dressed here, I wasn’t wearing such things back at home. I was walking around in one shirt and a pair of trousers which already 5-6 years old, and here I was presented with everything new. I strongly ask to forgive us if we happen to be a little slow or if we say something wrong. Don’t take offense to us. Do understand that we are the same people as you are, we have children. We didn’t “horde”, we haven`t got anywhere to run!

” We haven`t got anywhere to run! ” This is the phrase I heard most often when, interrupting each other, people were sharing their pain with me. I could hardly fight back tears. There was a huge desire to embrace them. When the people have suffered such a severe psychological shock, you are afraid to show a lot of emotions, you are trying to be calm and to hand a feeling of peace over to them. I think I managed to do it a bit. I was delighted with the professional work of psychologists in Voronezh who for a short period of time managed to help the people recover from the shock. If upon arrival, they feared the drone of the aircraft and hunched their shoulders, the children cried, ran to parents and hid themselves, on day of my conversation, little three-year-old Ksyusha was not at all scared of an aircraft flying over us. I asked the beautiful blue-eyed girl: “Ksyusha, are you afraid of the airplane?” The child looked up in the sky and said: “No. The plane is big and Ksyusha is already big.”

Looking round at a small group of people passing Ksyusha and me, I was surprised to know that the camp was visited by Zelmira Sinclair, Senior Legal Adviser to the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. It turned out that Zelmira Sinclair was not invited but given a task of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees to visit the border regions of Ukraine and to look at the conditions of the placement of the refugees. I managed to ask the Senior Adviser a few questions. Despite the fact that the massive influx of the refugees from South-Eastern Ukraine in Russia has increased significantly during the exacerbation of fighting between the supporters of pro-independence Donbass and Kiev`s security officers, Zelmira Sinclair calmly reacted to this piece of news. She believes that it won`t lead to a humanitarian catastrophe, as Russia is quite successfully coping with this problem. The Russian authorities take appropriate measures to ensure good conditions for the citizens of Ukraine, so no humanitarian catastrophe is expected in her opinion. Answering the question what measures the top management is going to take to reduce the number of the refugees in need the Senior Adviser responded that the assistance can only be provided in case of the official appeal of the Russian authorities. The issue of political matter – what other evidence of war crimes has still to be submitted to start an immediate investigation – appeared not to be in the competence of the UN representative. I heard hackneyed phrases: it is necessary to sit down at a negotiating table and to decide.



How long is it possible to carry on negotiations, solving nothing and taking no steps?



In Donbass region there is obviously a humanitarian catastrophe: medicines, essentials and food are not enough. Refugees en masse have begun to arrive in Voronezh region which borders Lugansk region of Ukraine, since June, 8. According only to data of July, 3, the day Zelmira Sinclair was visiting the refugee camps, in the region of Voronezh there came 1369 people. Generally they are inhabitants of Lugansk and Donetsk areas. On July, 1 there arrived over 150,000 refugees from Ukraine, who were adopted by 48 regions. According to the Ministry of Emergency Situations, there are almost 18,000 Ukrainian refugees in 252 centers of temporary accommodation in the Russian Federation. FMS reports that more than 14 thousand Ukrainians asked for a temporary shelter and a refugee status.

I don`t know what Zelmira Sinclair has reported to the top management after the completing her task. Perhaps communicating with the citizens of Ukraine, being in camp, she took them for tourists. On the day of the meeting with the adviser people were looking rested. It`s a pity that a Senior Legal Adviser did not visit the camp on the first day of their settlement and didn`t see the frightened, screaming, half-naked children whose parents didn`t have time to dress them when there started the bombing of their homes.

I want to believe that the mission of the UN representative is fundamentally different from the aims of the employees of the U.S. Department of State. America persistently continues to call the people running to Russia tourists, allegedly without knowing they were all threatened so much, that the people are afraid to ask for a status of refugees as they still have relatives as hostages. Their nearest and dearest were promised to be repressed if the people ask the status of refugees – this is the fact the USA doesn’t wish to notice and take into consideration. All this clearly demonstrates how the actions of the present authorities and power structures of Ukraine are coordinated by the intelligence services of the USA which gave them a task at any cost to achieve the state when the international organizations wouldn’t get to know the real number of people – namely of refugees, while tourists don’t need to be taken into consideration at all. After all, if the person is too intimidated to seek shelter in Russia, then the statistics of the war crimes won’t be challenged…

I express special gratitude to all the staff of Voronezh Children’s Health Camp “Bonfire”, on the basis of which the camp for refugees has been formed. The Russian children who were to spend their holiday there, refused to have rest there so that the brothers and sisters from relative Ukraine could be rescued. I’m proud of the people of Voronezh, among which there are also my parents. Here, in Voronezh land, I’ve met amazing sympathy, nobleness and true patriotism.

Lana Zoricheva is a Correspondent for Radio Bergen in Russia and the CIS
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As the Western-backed regime in Kiev assaults pro-Russian militias in the major cities of eastern Ukraine, mass graves are coming to light in Slavyansk, the former opposition stronghold recently captured by Kiev. The government offensive is unfolding with the support of Washington and the European Union (EU), which yesterday imposed more sanctions to compel Moscow to abandon any support for opposition militias in Ukraine.

Andriy Lysenko, the spokesman for the Kiev regime’s Defense and Security Council, said yesterday that “hundreds of bodies of rebel fighters” had been found in shallow graves. Lysenko claimed some of the graves “have been mined by the terrorists”—apparently implying that some of the dead were killed during the siege of Slavyansk and buried by fellow opposition fighters before Kiev’s forces captured the town. Lysenko refused to give further details.

While the Kiev regime’s bombardment of Slavyansk doubtless caused hundreds of casualties, its own accounts show that the far-right Ukrainian nationalist militias it has mobilized are carrying out a campaign of political terror and murder in Slavyansk. Upon capturing the city, they detained all men between the ages of 25 and 35 on suspicion of supporting or giving aid, including medical aid, to the opposition militias.

On Tuesday, Interior Ministry official Anton Gerashchenko confirmed that two Slavyansk priests had been murdered for supporting opposition forces. “We found a grave of two priests from Slavyansk, who were tortured and killed by the Ukrainian nationalists,” Gerashchenko said. The bodies of two sons of one of the priests were discovered in the same grave as the priests’ mutilated remains.

The Odessa diocese confirmed that Ukrainian nationalists have threatened, beaten or kidnapped several Orthodox priests, many of whom they consider too close to Moscow. The Odessa diocese secretary, Archpriest Andrei Novikov, who has fled to Moscow fearing arrest by Ukrainian nationalist groups, said, “I’m sure if the government keeps its position, it will handle the physical liquidation of the Moscow Patriarchate in Ukraine.”

Statements by top Kiev officials during the siege of Slavyansk amounted to a blank check for its far-right forces—including fascist militias such as the Right Sector and Azov Battalion and the newly formed National Guard—to murder civilians.

President Petro Poroshenko pledged that his forces would “liquidate” opposition fighters. Adopting the tactics the Nazis used against resistance fighters in occupied Europe during World War II, Poroshenko called for disproportionate killings in retaliation for losses suffered by his regime, saying: “For every soldier’s life, the militants will pay with dozens and hundreds of their own.”

A BBC report on the Azov Battalion makes clear the type of fascist trash the Ukrainian regime and its backers in Washington and the European Union are unleashing on the population of eastern Ukraine. It interviewed Mikael Skillt, a white supremacist and former Swedish Army sniper now fighting with the Azov Battalion. Skillt said the unit includes “national socialists” who wear swastikas, but there is “even one liberal, though I don’t know how he got there.”

The Azov Battalion, which is financed by billionaire oligarch Igor Kolomoisky and has recruiters traveling internationally, is led by Andriy Biletsky, the head of the Social National Assembly (SNA). The SNA’s online mission statement specifies that its goals are to “punish severely” interracial sexual relations and “to prepare Ukraine for further expansion and to struggle for the liberation of the entire White Race from the domination of the internationalist speculative capital.”

Contacted by the BBC, the Kiev regime defended the Azov Battalion. Gerashchenko said, “The Social National Assembly is not a neo-Nazi organization.” He claimed the only non-Ukrainians in the Azov Battalion were “journalists from Sweden, Spain and Italy who have come to report on the heroic achievements of the fighters in their struggle against terrorism.”

The fascist atrocities in Ukraine are an indictment of Washington and the European powers, which publicly encouraged pro-EU demonstrations in Kiev led by far-right forces in order to topple pro-Russian Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych. Having built up the Right Sector and other fascist militias to crush Yanukovych’s riot police and install a pro-Western regime in the February 22 putsch, the Western governments and media are now concealing the fascists’ crimes.

The atrocities in Slavyansk further expose the hypocrisy of the advocates of “human rights” imperialism who praised Western intervention in support of the Kiev protests and the February 22 putsch, portraying the right-wing, pro-EU opposition to Yanukovych as a movement for democracy (see: “In the service of imperialism: Right-wing “intellectuals” gather in Kiev”). Their silence on the crimes of the Kiev regime highlights their role as agents of imperialism and fascist reaction.

The Western imperialist powers are stepping up their support for the Kiev regime as it intensifies its civil war and political terror in eastern Ukraine. Yesterday, US President Barack Obama announced new sanctions against Russia at a White House press conference.

The measures target firms including Rosneft, the world’s largest oil company; Gazprombank, the banking subsidiary of natural gas giant Gazprom; independent natural gas producer Novatek; and development lender Vnesheconombank. They are also directed against separatist groups in the eastern Ukrainian cities of Donetsk and Luhansk. The sanctions restrict these entities’ access to US lending and the American financial system.

Obama said, “These sanctions are significant, but they are also targeted,” adding that they were designed to limit “spillover” effects for US companies.

Although Ukrainian government forces have repeatedly and provocatively shelled Russian border areas, Obama cynically placed responsibility for the crisis in Ukraine on Moscow. “We have to see concrete actions, and not just words that Russia in fact is committed to trying to end this conflict along the Russia-Ukraine border,” he said (see: “Moscow threatens response after Ukraine forces shell Russian border town”).

Meeting in Brussels yesterday, EU authorities imposed sanctions on “individuals or entities who actively provide material or financial support to the Russian decision-makers responsible for the annexation of Crimea and the destabilization of eastern Ukraine.” These sanctions include travel bans and asset freezes affecting 72 Russian persons and entities.

“The situation in Ukraine is unacceptable,” British Prime Minister David Cameron said. “The territorial integrity of that country is not being properly respected by Russia.”

EU authorities proceeded with the new sanctions against Russia even though the economies of the EU and Russia are closely linked. With the two economies doing over $300 billion in yearly trade, broader sanctions risk triggering an economic collapse across the region.

The Ukraine crisis has already had a serious impact on the European economy, according to figures released by the European statistics agency Eurostat, which found that EU exports to Russia have fallen 11 percent and Russian exports to the EU have declined by 9 percent.

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A Malaysia Airlines’ Boeing-777 with over 280 passengers on board has crashed in Ukraine, close to the border with Russia. Both Kiev and the opposition deny involvement in the incident.

LIVE UPDATES:Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane crash in Ukraine

The head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Geraschenko said the plane carrying 280 passengers and 15 crew members fell.

Malaysian Airlines has confirmed that it has lost contact with the plane when it was flying over Ukrainian soil.

Malaysia Airlines has lost contact of MH17 from Amsterdam. The last known position was over Ukrainian airspace. More details to follow.

The passenger plane was expected to enter Russian airspace at 5:20pm local time, but never did, a Russian aviation industry source was cited by Reuters.

“The plane crashed 60km away from the border, the plane had an emergency beacon,” ITAR-TASS cited its source.

A man works at putting out a fire at the site of a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 plane crash in the settlement of Grabovo in the Donetsk region, July 17, 2014.(Reuters / Maxim Zmeyev )

A man works at putting out a fire at the site of a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 plane crash in the settlement of Grabovo in the Donetsk region, July 17, 2014.(Reuters / Maxim Zmeyev )

Residents have reported finding debris from a plane, which they say could belong to the Malaysian Boeing. They said that several dozen dead passengers have been found, RIA Novosti reports.

Groups that are fighting Kiev’s forces in eastern Ukraine have rejected any involvement in the incident, as there are reports that the plane was shot down.

The Donetsk People’s Republic claims its self-defense forces simply don’t have such military equipment.

Donetsk People’s Republic PM Aleksandr Boroday has called the incident a “provocation by the Ukrainian military”.

“We confirm that the plane crashed not far from Donetsk,” Boroday said. “Representatives of Donetsk People’s Republic have headed to the scene of the plane search.”

“Self-defense forces have no air-defense, which could target transport aircraft at that height,” he told Interfax.

“We have only MANPADs (portable anti-aircraft missile complex) which hit targets at 3-4 kilometers,” Sergey Kavtaradze, representative for Donetsk People’s Republic PM, also told journalists.

Russia’s military also says none of its military planes have been flying close to the Russia-Ukraine border on Thursday, RIA Novosti reported citing a military official.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has not ruled out that a Malaysian plane has been shot down.

“We don’t rule out that this plane was shot down and stress that Ukrainian forces did not fulfill any actions targeting in the air,” Poroshenko said. He added that an investigation commission will be launched.

At the same time, Anton Geraschenko said on his Facebook page that the plane was targeted from the air defense missile complex “Buk”.

RIA Novosti is citing its source who said that Kiev indeed deployed “Buk” in the Donetsk region.

“According to the system of objective control, “Buk” division of the armed forces of Ukraine was relocated to Donetsk region on Wednesday. Now in Kharkov another division is being prepared,” the source said.

The sources stressed that aircraft flying at an altitude of over 10 kilometers can only be targeted by C-300 class weapons or ‘Buk”.

A source in Russia’s federal air traffic agency Rosaviatsia has said that three days ago Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council closed the airspace over eastern Ukraine because of the so-called “anti-terrorist operation” that Kiev conducts in the region.

Earlier a representative of Donetsk People’s Republic said that civil aviation planes could not fly over Donetsk and Lugansk regions. He added that all necessary traffic control and navigation equipment was damaged.

“Dispatching support of all passenger flights is being conducted from Kiev. How this plane could be there – is not clear,” a representative of Donetsk People’s Republic said.

The Boeing-777, whose maiden commercial flight was almost exactly two decades ago, had previously suffered ten serious incidents, according to the Aviation Safety Database.

The most notorious of these involved another route performed by the same company, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, during which the US-made aircraft disappeared off the radars between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing, in March this year. Despite an international search effort costing tens of millions of dollars, the plane, the reasons for whose disappearance have still not been definitively established, has not yet been recovered.

Another widely-covered incident occurred last year, when Asiana Airlines Flight 214 pilot crashed into the seawall just short of the landing strip at San Fransisco International Airport, prompting the fuselage to drag across the runway as it disintegrated in a fire. Three people died as a result of the incident – the first fatalities in the history of the model, which is regarded as very safe in the industry.

Currently, about 1200 modifications of Boeing-777 are operated worldwide.

“A Boeing-777 is an extremely reliable piece of machinery. Modern planes don’t just crash with no reason,” pilot and aviation expert Yury Karash told RT. “Let us recall how a Ukrainian missile downed a Russian TU-154 aircraft ten years ago. I can’t completely exclude the possibility the Boeing-777 was also hit by a missile.”

“I don’t know who could’ve shot it down. But I can allege that it most likely was the Ukrainian armed forces: simply because its military – anti-aircraft defense, in particular – are, unfortunately, unqualified. As judging by the overall state of the Ukrainian armed forces, insufficient attention has been paid to their training,” he added.
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As the only non-European journalist to cover The Hague inquiry into the Amsterdam crash of El Al flight 1862 (October 1992), which destroyed a Biljmeer district apartment complex, I discovered many aspects of the Israeli security set-up at Schipol International Airport and the role of the Mossad intelligence agency in secret operations there, one of Europe’s business transport hubs. This same airport spy network is very likely involved in the recent crash of Malaysian Airlines flight 17 over the Ukraine.

Covering the Biljmeer crash for Japan Playboy, I uncovered the sordid facts of how the official investigation back then was undone by a large network of Israeli intelligence agents who paid hush money to victims’ families, pressured injured firefighters from filing lawsuits over radiation exposure, and suppressed data from the hangar where the wreckage was stored. The crippled El Al cargo jet, leased from UPS, had transported from JFK Airport in New York a secret load of weapons including plutonium, depleted uranium and a bioweapon called mycoplasm in its cargo bay before crashing on an attempt to return to Schipol Airport, in an operation directed by the Israeli intelligence service instead of Dutch flight officials.

Once again, this time in the destruction of MH17, there is an Israeli-connected air crash with political ramifications involving Israeli strategic interests, inside Israel exactly when its military launches an invasion of Gaza and in troubled Ukraine, a supplier of military electronics to the IDF.

Security at Schipol Airport is operated by ICTS, an Israeli-owned airport security company based in The Netherlands founded by former officers of the Shin Beit intelligence agency. Its subsidiaries are also involved in key security functions there, including ProCheck, Ramasso and I-SEC.

The Israeli security company has a record of staging false flag operations, including the September 11, 2001 attacks. ICaTS subsidiary Huntleigh provided passenger and baggage inspection services at Boston Logan Airport, where two of the four jetliners used in the 911 attack originated.

At Schipol Airport on Christmas 2009, ICTS allowed the “Underwear Bomber” Umar Farouk Abdulmutallah armed with explosives to slip past “sniffer” detectors to board a Detroit-bound Northwest flight, an incident that was a boon to Homeland Security and the global war on terrorism.

Initial information, even before the start of an official inquiry into MH17, raise serious questions of whether Israeli intelligence tampered with the flight controls and radar identification (transponder) system of the Malaysian-operated Boeing-777.

- MH17 deviated from the civilian flight path, which should cross close to the exit mouth of the Azov Sea, away from the current battle zone between the Ukraine military and militant ethnic Russian irregulars. Instead its navigation steered the jetliner on a more northerly course in contested airspace, where Ukraine military aircraft conduct both air strikes and troop transport missions, putting the Malaysian Airlines jet into jeopardy.

- The wide-body Boeing-777 jumbo jet is similar in profile to the Antonov (built by Kharkov Aircraft Industries in Ukraine) and Ilyushin (Russian-built) transport craft in service with the Ukraine military and air cargo fleets. At higher altitudes (MH17 was flying at 35,000 feet), the only way from ground level to identify a plane is by a coded radar response from its transponder signal. One possibility was that MH17 was programmed with a false responder code; while another problem could have been confusion with the transponder beam from a nearby Ukraine military craft. A more sinister scenario is the sending of a false ID signal from a ground-based vehicle.

In short, Israeli operatives could have loaded a bomb onto MH17 or used a false responder signal to lure a rebel missile battery to intercept a suspected incoming troop landing. Another issue for investigation, if these scenarios are verified, is the unspoken connection between the Boeing Corporation and the Israeli intelligence services. Boeing would have key data on tampering of any of its aircraft control systems, and both MH17 and MH370 were Boeing-777s.

Israeli intelligence had three possible motives for orchestrating a false flag incident blamed on ethnic Russians or on the Kremlin.

- first, the MH17 crash diverted international media attention from the launch of the Israeli invasion of Gaza, which is a serious rupture of existing peace accords and a massive assault on human rights. Malaysia is an outspoken voice in the UN and the world media on Palestinian rights in Gaza.

- second, Israel, even with the Zionist economic interests in Russia such as BP, has a historical interest in the 45 000-member strong Jewish community in the port of Odessa, which has a large stake in the financial sector, military electronics industry, missile production and weapons factories. PBN and GQR, lobbying organizations controlled by American Jewish neoconservatives, are the most influential force in Ukraine politics.

- third, the destruction of MH17 serves as a warning to the governments of Malaysia and Australia to cease any further investigation into the strong possibility that MH370 was hijacked by the Israeli military. MH370 was carrying engineers, designers, prototypes, specifications and a chip foundry for the world’s smallest microchip, the KL series. The leading edge technology is needed for Israel’s crash program to build a drone army, especially mini-robots capable of infiltrating Iran’s nuclear plants. (This writer has extensively researched a nd uncovered Israeli involvement in the MH370 hijacking at rense.com)

One point of bias that needs to be disclosed is that this writer is a sympathizer of Ukraine independence and opposes Russian intervention. In specific incidents, however, such as the destruction of MH17, one’s preferences must be set aside in pursuit of the facts relevant to the case. The Israeli role in this affair cannot be ignored, especially considering its abiding interests in independent Ukraine. Therefore, the Kiev government should launch an investigation into the possibility of sabotage by an ally so as not to harm& nbsp;its legitimacy by incriminating itself together with Israeli state-sponsored terrorism, legitimate grounds for reprisal by its adversary. A Ukraine that claims to be independent should try to be independent.

As an investigation team approaches the crash site, the real cover-up is yet to begin. The family members and friends of both targeted Malaysian Airlines jetliners are owed the truth and the culprits must be dragged to justice.

Yoichi Shimatsu is a science and technology journalist based in Hong Kong and former editor of The Japan Times Weekly in Tokyo.

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Russian Defense Ministry Says Intercepted Ukrainian Radar Activity on Day of Plane Crash
Topic: Malaysia Airlines Boeing Crashes in Ukraine
Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777
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MOSCOW, July 18 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Defense Ministry says it had intercepted the activity of a Ukrainian radar system on the day the Malaysian plane went down in eastern Ukraine, the ministry’s press service said Friday.
“Throughout the day on July 17, Russian means of radar surveillance intercepted the operation of the Buk-M1 battery’s Kupol radar station located in the region of the populated area of Styla [30 kilometers south of Donetsk],” the press service said in a statement.
“The technical capabilities of the Buk-M1 allow the exchange of data on air targets between batteries of one battalion. Thus, the launch of rockets could have also occurred from any of the batteries deployed in the populated area of Avdeevka [8 kilometers north of Donetsk] or from Gruzsko-Zoryanskoe [25 kilometers east of Donetsk],” the ministry said.
A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur crashed near the town of Torez in the Donetsk Region on Thursday, killing all the 283 passengers and 15 crew members on board.
Kiev blamed independence supporters in the turbulent Donetsk Region for downing the passenger plane with a surface-to-air missile. Militia forces said they had no missile systems that could hit a target flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters.
Ukrainian authorities and Malaysia Airlines are investigating the incident. Various international observers, including the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC) and Interpol experts, also intend to join the investigation of the case.
ABC News reported that the United States has already sent their investigators from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) to the crash site.
On Friday morning, it was reported that a tripartite contact group of the representatives of the Organization for the Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), Ukraine and Russia had held a video conference with the militia, urging them to cordon off the crash site. The OSCE reported that the militias guaranteed safety and free access to the crash site to international investigators and observers.

Kiev deployed powerful anti-air systems to E. Ukraine ahead of the Malaysian plane crash
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A man stands next to the wreckage of the malaysian airliner carrying 295 people from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur after it crashed, in rebel-held east Ukraine, near the town of Shaktarsk, on July 17, 2014.(AFP Photo / Dominique Faget)A man stands next to the wreckage of the malaysian airliner carrying 295 people from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur after it crashed, in rebel-held east Ukraine, near the town of Shaktarsk, on July 17, 2014.(AFP Photo / Dominique Faget)
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The Ukrainian military has several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers, capable of bringing down high-flying jets, in the Donetsk region where the Malaysian passenger plane crashed, Russian Defense Ministry said.

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“According to the Russian Defense Ministry information, units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine located in the crash-site are equipped with anti-aircraft missile systems of "Buk-M1” ... These complexes in their tactical and technical characteristics are capable of detecting air targets at ranges of up to 160 kilometers and hit them at full altitude range at a distance of over 30 kilometers,” the ministry’s statement reads as cited by Ria.

Earlier, Itar-Tass and Interfax news agencies were citing a source familiar with the issue, who said that another battery of Buk systems is currently being prepared for shipment to Donetsk region from the Ukrainian city of Kharkov.

The Donetsk region remains the scene of heavy fighting between government troops and the forces of the opposition, which refused to recognize the regime change in Kiev and demand federalization.

A Malaysian Airlines aircraft en route from Amsterdam to Malaysia crashed in Eastern Ukraine – not far from the Russian border – on Thursday.

BUK.(RIA Novosti / Vadim Braydov)BUK.(RIA Novosti / Vadim Braydov)

There were reportedly 283 people and 15 crew members on board the Boeing-777 plane, who reportedly all died in the crash.

There were unconfirmed reports the Malaysian plane was travelling at an altitude of over 10,000 meters when it was allegedly hit by a missile.

There’s no way that the self-defense forces in Donetsk Region are in possession of such complex weaponry, he stressed. Only S-300 and Buk surface-to-air missile systems are capable of hitting targets at such altitude, the source said.

Buk is a family of self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air missile systems developed by the former USSR and Russia to engage targets at an engagement altitude of 11,000-25,000 meters depending on the model.

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Chances are high that the Malaysian plane was really downed by the Ukrainian anti-aircraft defense, Yury Karash, pilot and aviation expert, told RT.

“A Boeing-777 is an extremely reliable piece of machinery. Modern planes don’t just crash with no reason,” he said. “Let us recall how a Ukrainian missile downed Russian TU-154 aircraft ten years ago. I can’t completely exclude the possibility the Boeing-777 was also hit by a missile.”

“I don’t know who could’ve shot it down. But I can allege that it was most likely the Ukrainian armed forces: simply because its military – anti-aircraft defense, in particular – are, unfortunately, unqualified. As judging by the overall state of the Ukrainian armed forces, insufficient attention has been paid to their training,” Karash added.

Reports in the Western media hurried to blame the self-defense forces of the People’s Republic of Donetsk for bringing the plane down.

AFP Photo / Dominique Faget AFP Photo / Dominique Faget

The claims were denied by the representatives of the Donetsk People’s Republic, saying that it’s the Ukrainian military, which destroyed the aircraft.

“We simply don’t have such air defense systems. Our man-portable air defense systems have a firing range 3,000 - 4,000 meters. The Boeing was flying at a much higher altitude,” Sergey Kavtaradze, special representative for the prime minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic, explained.

Kavtaradze also expressed condolences to the relatives of all of those who lost their lives in the tragedy.

IHS Jane’s Defense analyst, Nick de Larrinaga, also shared the belief that the self-defense forces lack the capability to bring the Malaysian plane down.

“At normal cruising altitude a civilian passenger aircraft would be out of the range of the sort of manned portable air (defense) systems that we have seen proliferate in rebel hands in east Ukraine,” he said in a statement.

But the aircraft would be within range of Buk or other medium-range surface-to-air missile systems, he stressed.

“Both Russia and Ukraine have such SAM systems in their inventories,” the expert added.

It seems unlikely that the self-defense forces could’ve used Buk surface-to-air missile systems to down the Malaysian plane, retired Brig. Gen. Kevin Ryan, the director of the Defense and Intelligence Project at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, said.

“It takes a lot of training and a lot of coordination to fire one of these and hit something,” he told CNN. “This is not the kind of weapon a couple of guys are going to pull out of a garage and fire.”

According to Ryan, if the plane was really taken down then it was done by a professional military force.

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Large-scale investigation of Malaysian airliner crash in Ukraine starts

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On Thursday, a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur crashed in south-eastern Ukraine with 298 people onboard

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Donetsk self-defence forces promise to ensure access to Malaysian jet crash site
KIEV/MOSCOW, July 18. /ITAR-TASS/. A large-scale investigation into the crash of a Malaysia Airlines passenger plane Boeing 777 has begun. The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), Malaysia, the Netherlands, Russia, Ukraine and self-defense forces in the south-east of the country, as well as the United States, stated that they are prepared to assist in investigation. Meanwhile, the European Organization for the Safety of Air Navigation (Eurocontrol) has closed the Ukrainian air space for civilian airplanes.
Malaysia Airlines passenger plane Boeing 777 was flying from the Dutch city of Amsterdam to the Malaysian capital of Kuala Lumpur. The airliner crashed in east Ukraine’s Donetsk region on Thursday. A total of 298 people, including all passengers and crewmembers, died in the crash. According to preliminary reports, the airliner was carrying 71 Dutchmen, 23 passengers from the United States, nine British citizens and four Frenchmen among others. No Russians were on board the airliner, Russian Emergencies Minister Vladimir Puchkov said.
The Kiev authorities accused Russia and Ukrainian militias of being involved in the plane crash. However, the Russian military and east Ukraine's self-defense forces denied the allegations, stating that the militia do not have weapons that can hit airplanes flying at high altitude.
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Boeing 777 crash in Ukraine
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Malaysia Airlines’ Boeing 777 crashed in the Donetsk region of Ukraine. 280 passengers and 15 crewmembers have died. Infographics by ITAR-TASS
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko demanded to set up a state committee involving ICAO specialists and representatives of the Netherlands and Malaysia to probe into the airplane tragedy. “Ukrainian military forces did not take any actions to hit air targets,” the Ukrainian presidential press service said.
For his part, Chairman of the Supreme Council Presidium of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic Denis Pushilin believes that Ukrainian armed forces were connected to the air crash in east Ukraine.
“We intend to believe that this was done by Ukrainian military forces,” he said. “The Donetsk People’s Republic is ready to permit international specialists to conduct a more detailed and quicker investigation of the air crash. This is in our interests. We do not feel our guilt for this. We do not have specific radar stations or specialists,” he said.

Putin places responsibility for Malaysian jet crash on Ukraine
The Malaysian Defense Ministry does not have confirmations that this airliner had been downed. Malaysia's Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said that authorities were still checking coming reports.
The US does not have any information about details of the air crash, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest stated. US Transportation Security Administration told ITAR-TASS that they were collecting information about the incident.

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​Russia: US sanctions revenge for Ukrainian failure, Moscow may retaliate
Published time: July 17, 2014 07:15 Get short URL
People's militia soldiers in the occupied village of Marinovka, near the town of Snezhnoye. (RIA Novosti / Andrey Stenin)People's militia soldiers in the occupied village of Marinovka, near the town of Snezhnoye. (RIA Novosti / Andrey Stenin)
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Russia considers the latest package of sanctions against it issued by the US as revenge for the failure of Washington’s schemes in Ukraine and blackmail. Moscow reserves the right to retaliate.

READ: Putin: US sanctions contradict its national interests, will backfire

Moscow believes that America is targeting it with sanctions “because the events in Ukraine have not developed the way Washington scripted them,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Thursday.

“The outrageous and groundless desire to blame Russia for the civil war in a neighboring country, which was caused by a deep internal crisis and already resulted in the loss of many lives, proves that the US and its clients in Kiev have failed to pacify the wide public dissent,” the ministry said.

Moscow said Washington is cynical in attempting to dodge responsibility for the bloodshed perpetrated by the Ukrainian troops in the east of the country, which the US is de facto encouraging.

The sanctions issued by the US on Wednesday won’t affect Russia’s position, the ministry warned.

“We’ve said on many occasions that speaking the language of sanctions to Russia is pointless, regardless of their scale. This path won’t lead to any positive outcome,” the statement said. “Those who believe in their own exceptionalism and claim the right to dictate their will to the world will be deeply disappointed.”

Russia warned that there is a price to be paid for targeting Russia with sanctions, and it would be American companies which would have to foot the bill for the White House. The Obama administration’s policies will deteriorate Russia’s relations with America in many regards, the ministry said.

“If Washington intends to ruin the Russian-American relations, it’s on their conscience,” the ministry said. “We won’t tolerate blackmail and reserve the right to retaliate.”

Russia's President Vladimir Putin looks on while speaking with journalists in Itamaraty Palace in Brazilia, early on July 17, 2014. (AFP Photo / Alexei Nikolsky)Russia's President Vladimir Putin looks on while speaking with journalists in Itamaraty Palace in Brazilia, early on July 17, 2014. (AFP Photo / Alexei Nikolsky)

The new round of American sanctions against Russia targets a number of companies, particularly involved in arms production, energy and finance, as well as several Russian officials. The White House said it introduced the sanctions because Russia had failed to deescalate the crisis in Ukraine, where Kiev is waging a military crackdown on defiant regions of Donetsk and Lugansk, which formed armed militias and reject the central government’s rule.

Earlier Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that the sanctions would hurt America too.

“As for sanctions, they usually have a boomerang effect, and without a doubt will force US-Russian relations into a corner,” he explained. “This is a serious blow to our relationship. And it undermines the long term security interests of the US nation and its people.”

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20 civilians killed in Lugansk shelling - City Hall
Published time: July 18, 2014 11:10
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A firefighter examones the facade of a residential house damaged in artillery shelling of Lugansk 18 July, 2014 (RIA Novosti / Valery Melnikov)A firefighter examones the facade of a residential house damaged in artillery shelling of Lugansk 18 July, 2014 (RIA Novosti / Valery Melnikov)
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At least 20 have been killed in shelling of the city of Lugansk, eastern Ukraine. The information was confirmed by the local city administration.

"Today intense bombardment of Lugansk has continued. Shells are falling in almost all districts of the city,” the administration said in a statement. “According to preliminary information, more than 20 civilians have been killed since this morning."

WARNING: Graphic video shows covered bodies – victims of the shelling in Lugansk



The statement posted on the administration’s website said shells targeted the city center, major streets, the railway station and a market.

Lugansk residents reported a shell falling close to a church, killing one person. They said the city was attacked by Ukrainian army’s rockets fired from a military jet.

"Self-defense forces fired at [the aircraft] from manpads [man-portable air defence systems], but we don’t know if they hit it or not,” some locals were cited as saying by ITAR-TASS.

The Lisichansk Oil Refinery, property of the Russian oil company Rosneft - recently sanctioned by the US - has also been attacked and set on fire.

The opposition claims the refinery was targeted by Ukrainian army from Grad multiple rocket launcher system.



Locals reports that the refinery, targeted in the early hours of Friday, is still ablaze.

The artillery shelling that started overnight has left “85 percent of Lugansk” without electricity. Residents have no tap water as local pumping stations were shut down.

It is likely that electrify will only be restored when shelling stops, City Hall said. Due to continuing shelling, repairmen can’t reach the station where power was disrupted.

Local media reports also say that there is no mobile connection, internet or television.

So far Kiev’s forces have failed to enter Lugansk, but constant shelling of living quarters claim the lives of civilians on a daily basis.

People in Lugansk after an artillery attack (RIA Novosti / Valery Melnikov)People in Lugansk after an artillery attack (RIA Novosti / Valery Melnikov)

The Lugansk city administration has issued a statement estimating the number of killed and injured “recently.” While the statement points out that the data does not include the July 18 shelling, it does not specify the dates on which the statistics were collected.

According to the statement, 44 people have been killed, including one child, and 215 wounded, including four children.

Fighting continues to the north of the city, in the village of Metallist, 10km from Lugansk, and in the west, in Yubileynoye settlement.

According to ITAR-TASS, self-defense forces claim they have managed to push back Kiev troops in Metallist.

One of the shells has almost hit a local administration headquarters, falling some 200 meters from it, Russian LifeNews channel reported. It also said that another shell struck a civilian house which was completely destroyed. The owner was hospitalized.

RIA Novosti / Valery Melnikov

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Ukrainian Buk battery radar was operational when Malaysian plane downed - Moscow
Published time: July 18, 2014 09:31
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Debris is seen at the site of Thursday's Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 plane crash near the settlement of Grabovo, in the Donetsk region July 18, 2014 (Reuters / Maxim Zmeyev)Debris is seen at the site of Thursday's Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 plane crash near the settlement of Grabovo, in the Donetsk region July 18, 2014 (Reuters / Maxim Zmeyev)
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On Thursday, when a Malaysian Airlines plane was apparently shot down over Ukraine, a Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational in the region, the Russian Defense Ministry said, contradicting Kiev’s statements.

The battery was deployed at a site from which it could have fired a missile at the airliner, the ministry said in a statement. It said radiation from the battery’s radar was detected by the Russian military.

“The Russian equipment detected throughout July 17 the activity of a Kupol radar, deployed as part of a Buk-M1 battery near Styla [a village some 30km south of Donetsk],” the ministry said in a statement.

The ministry said the radar could be providing tracking information to another battery deployed in the region, which was at a firing distance from the plane’s flight path.

Earlier Kiev said it could not have fired a missile at the passing civilian plane because it had no Buk missile launchers deployed in the region. At the same time the Ukrainians said the militias had no Buk systems in their hands, according to a statement from the country’s Prosecutor General.

After the Russian ministry came out with the statement, Bogdan Senyk, a spokesman for the Ukrainian Defense Ministry reiterated Kiev’s position, saying that "anti-aircraft missiles have not been deployed during the anti-terrorist operation ... they are all in place."

(File photo) A "Buk" anti-aircraft battery launches a ground-to-air missile (Reuters)(File photo) A "Buk" anti-aircraft battery launches a ground-to-air missile (Reuters)

The Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 carrying almost 300 people on board crashed on Thursday as it was flying over Ukraine’s Donetsk Region. The plane was apparently shot down by a surface-to-air missile, although both Kiev and the local militias fighting against it deny responsibility. A flurry of condemnations and calls for a swift investigation followed the disaster.
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New Information Provides New Questions About Malaysian Flight

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Only yesterday, I wrote an article entitled “6 Reasons To Question The Official Story Of The Malaysian Flight Over Ukraine” where, as the title suggests, I briefly discussed a number of reasons the story presented by Western media outlets blaming Ukrainian separatists and even the Russian government for shooting down the plane were both contradictory and dubious.

Now, on the day after the crash of the flight, more information has emerged regarding the details surrounding what actually brought the flight down. Yet, as is typical in international incidents, the Western press reports simply add more questions to the pile.

First, it is important to point out the deceptive nature of many of the Western reports so it can be demonstrated that the credibility of all future reports should be viewed as highly questionable.

For instance, in the late hours of the evening, a volley of reports emerged suggesting that a Ukrainian separatist leader had Tweeted a statement gloating over shooting down the Malaysian flight before subsequently deleting the Tweet. In reality, the Twitter statement suggested that the separatists had downed an AN-26, a much smaller cargo transport plane, not the Malaysian flight. If those controlling the Twitter account had fired upon the plane, it seems unlikely that they would have confused the aircraft since there is such a difference in their size.

It was subsequently revealed that the Twitter account being reported upon was not actually run by the commander but that it was a “fan page.” The latter has been curiously left out of later reports.



Even if the Tweet had been from the separatist leader, however, it would only prove that the separatists had made a tragic mistake. Still, it is important to remember that it would have been an entirely justified mistake since civilian air traffic had been largely halted over the area for at least three months. Any pilot or aviation authority flying over this area of Ukraine would indeed have to be acting in a provocative manner, terribly lost, or clinically insane.

It is also important to point out that the entire discussion surrounding the type of missile that brought the plane down has been entirely controlled from the beginning. Initially, suggestions were that the plane was brought down by separatists using shoulder-fired missiles. However, it was soon revealed that shoulder-fired missiles could not have reached a plane flying at those altitudes.

Next, the idea came that the separatists or the Russians used BUK medium-range missiles to bring down the plane. Of course, the Russians do possess BUK missiles. Western media then seized upon a single report in the Russian press, an institution that is repeatedly denigrated when it contradicts the NATO party line but cited as fact when it corroborates it, which suggests that the rebels had seized a base in late June and now had BUK missiles in their possession.

Conveniently, there is no mention of the ITAR-TASS report that the Ukrainian military had moved its BUK missile system into Donetsk the day before the plane was brought down.

Very few mainstream outlets, however, are even considering the possibility that it was the Ukrainian military that shot down the Malaysian plane. This is simply because the goal of this whole ordeal, in addition to overshadowing the genocide taking place in Gaza, is to drum up international hostility toward Russia and the separatists that it supports.

It is also important to point out that nowhere in the mainstream press are there any suggestions of the possibility that it was not a missile that brought down the plane. That is, there is no suggestion of this possibility unless it can be blamed on Russia.

What is notable is the fact that there are emerging reports that the Malaysian flight was actually being escorted by Ukrainian military jets only 3 minutes before it crashed.

This report, released by E Turbo News, a global travel news agency, suggested that, not only was the plane being escorted by Ukrainian military jets but that air traffic records were immediately confiscated after the plane went down. The report suggests that internal communication acknowledged that the Ukrainian military was involved but shed no light on where the shootdown orders came from. Speculation ranging from a simple and tragic accident to an attempted coup by Timoshenko forces against the Presidency of Poroshenko have since arisen.

As E Turbo News reports,
ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.

Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.
Perhaps the most important question to ask in regards to the Malaysian flight situation, however, is Cui Bono? Who Benefits?

Tony Cartalucci asks this question and provides some answers in his own article “Kiev Losing, Sanctions Flopped, Airliner Down, War Back on?” where he writes,
The remote possibility that separatists obtained a sophisticated Buk anti-air missile system, was able to maintain and operate it, failed to identify the Malaysian 777, and exercised the poor judgment to fire on it - would make the tragedy a catastrophic case of mistaken identity - for the separatists have no conceivable reason to fire on a Malaysian passenger liner - and absolutely nothing to gain by doing so.
However, for the regime in Kiev facing decimated and unraveling military forces in the east, growing dissent in the west, and Western sponsors who are unable to materialize any form of meaningful aid militarily, economically, or politically - shooting down a civilian airliner and blaming it on the separatists could unite public opinion and the leadership of European nations behind NATO and the US for a more direct intervention on behalf of Kiev and change the tide of what is now a battle they will otherwise inevitably lose.

The West is already working hard to set the stage for such a scenario. The BBC in an article titled, "Malaysia airliner crashes in east Ukraine conflict zone," stated that:
Sir Tony Brenton, a former UK ambassador to Russia, told BBC News it would not be a huge surprise if suspicion initially fell on the rebels.
"That would be very damaging both for them and for their Russian supporters," he said.
"The Russians have undoubtedly been supplying them with weapons, almost certainly with anti-aircraft weapons, so Russia would very likely be implicated and that would raise the volume of international criticism of Russia."
Only the West and their proxies in Kiev would stand to benefit from this - and commentators like Tony Brenton and the BBC intentionally prey on the ignorance of their audience in hopes that they don't know the difference between the Igla systems separatists most likely have, and the Buk system they most likely don't have or are unable to operate.

This is the second Malaysian 777 to be lost under extraordinary circumstances this year. Malaysian flight MH370 disappeared in March, 2014, and has yet to be found despite unprecedented international search efforts.
Regardless of the true causes of the crash of Malaysian flight 777, it is clear that the world oligarchy is, at the very least, not letting a good crisis go to waste. The ability to distract from Western-backed genocides occurring simultaneously across the world as well as domestic issues and the world economic depression has been conveniently provided by the Malaysian flight shootdown.

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Brandon Turbeville is an author out of Florence, South Carolina. He has a Bachelor's Degree from Francis Marion University and is the author of six books, Codex Alimentarius -- The End of Health Freedom, 7 Real Conspiracies, Five Sense Solutions and Dispatches From a Dissident, volume 1 and volume 2, and The Road to Damascus: The Anglo-American Assault on Syria. Turbeville has published over 300 articles dealing on a wide variety of subjects including health, economics, government corruption, and civil liberties. Brandon Turbeville's podcast Truth on The Tracks can be found every Monday night 9 pm EST at UCYTV. He is available for radio and TV interviews. Please contact activistpost (at) gmail.com.

At least 1,000 Ukrainian servicemen killed last week — militia

World July 17, 20:11 UTC+4
The militia possessed reliable information that the morgues of the city of Kharkiv were packed with 4,000 corpses, with an increase of 1,000 over the past week

© ITAR-TASS/Zurab Javakhadze

Ukraine’s military retreats from Luhansk, leaves settlements near Donetsk
DONETSK, July 17. /ITAR-TASS/. Ukraine’s army lost at least 1,000 men in combat actions in Ukraine’s south-east over the past week, Co-chairman of Novorossiya’s People’s Front Konstantin Dolgov told ITAR-TASS.
Dolgov said that the militia possessed reliable information that the morgues of the city of Kharkiv were packed with 4,000 corpses, with an increase of 1,000 over the past week.
“They include Ukrainian servicemen and also those who fought in the so-called special battalions,” he said.
Meanwhile, Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council said that 258 were killed and 922 wounded in the space of the entire military operation.
Gallery 6 photo

Two killed, six wounded as Ukraine’s military shells east Ukraine’s Luhansk
During the military operation, conducted since mid-April, Kiev has used armored vehicles, heavy artillery and attack aviation. According to Ukraine’s Health Ministry, 478 civilians have been killed and 1,392 wounded in it. Many buildings have been destroyed and tens of thousands of people have had to flee Ukraine’s embattled south-east.
The Ukrainian army has lost 258 soldiers and another 922 have been wounded in Kiev’s punitive operation in Ukraine’s embattled Southeast, Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council spokesperson Andrei Lysenko said on Tuesday.

OSCE agrees on statement re MH17 crash

World July 18, 20:17 UTC+4
The idea of “condemning the terrorists that downed the plane” proposed by Ukraine was not included in the final document
OSCE representatives at the crash site of flight MH17
OSCE representatives at the crash site of flight MH17© ITAR-TASS/Zurab Dzhavakhadze
A moment of silence is held in commemoration for victims of flight MH17 at the United Nations Security Council meeting
UN Security Council opens its meeting on Ukraine with minute of silence for Boeing crash
VIENNA, July 18. /Mikhail Shcherbakov for ITAR-TASS/. After five hours of consultations, representatives of OSCE member-states have agreed on the statement regarding the crash of Malaysia Airlines’ Boeing in Ukraine.
Spokesperson of the Swiss OSCE Chairmanship Roland Bless reported this after the session of the organization’s Permanent Council.
The document was adopted in the initial edition, and the thesis about “condemning the terrorists that downed the plane” proposed by Ukraine was not included.
In addition, Russia’s Permanent Representative to the OSCE Andrei Kelin said that a paragraph on creating conditions for a sustainable ceasefire was included in the OSCE joint statement on Ukraine.
“Perhaps, it is the first joint document on Ukraine which we have managed to pass since the start of the (Ukraine) crisis. For the first time ever, it contains a provision on the need to urgently create conditions for a long-term ceasefire, which should be quickly coordinated and observed by all the parties (in conflict),” Kelin stressed.
“We hope that it’s going to put an end to violence in Ukraine,” Kelin said.
“The declaration stresses the need to create conditions for the access to the site and surrounding area for the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission, ICAO experts and other international organizations that are going to investigate what happened,” the Russian diplomat added.
“We have asked the local authorities to preserve intact all the pieces of equipment, fragments, personal belongings and other things so as to preserve the crash site in a proper state. Besides, the joint declaration contains a call to launching an international independent and transparent investigation in cooperation with ICAO and participation of representatives of Ukraine, Malaysia and the Netherlands,” Russia’s OSCE representative said, noting that none of the OSCE countries had agreed to Ukraine’s proposal to include the condemnation of “terrorists who shot the plane down” in the declaration’s text and automatically shift the blame to the self-defense forces of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics.
Meanwhile, a group of 30 observers of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) have reached the Malaysian Boeing’s crash site in the Donetsk region, OSCE spokesperson Tatyana Bayeva reported on Friday.
Their task would be to gather facts and watch the situation in the crash areas.
The OSCE observers are expected to stay in Donetsk and travel to the crash site when necessary.
Malaysia Airlines’ Boeing 777 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur crashed Thursday evening on the territory of Ukraine, in the Donetsk region near the Grabovo village. The plane carried 298 people, all of them died.
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#46

Selective censorship of MH17 coverage speaks volumes

I thank the many readers who provided relevant input, yours can really make a difference.

Here is the most heavily censored thing, and the background on it


Fighter jet escorts reveal the real story

Immediately after the shoot down, foreign people entered the nearest control tower that was monitoring flight MH17 and removed the normal workers and started doing their jobs. These "replacements by force" were obviously put there to front the official story. The normal control tower staff then reported the presense of two fighter jet escorts via Twitter. These tweets were subsequently removed by Twitter. However, the normal tower staff has successfully gotten through to various honest news outlets such as THIS ONE so the fact that "MH17" was under fighter jet escort will not be buried by Twitter or any replacement staff.

Flight departure times are inconsistent, and one major web site showed MH17 as canceled on the 17th.

If flight MH17 really took off, it would have had an agreed upon departure time. But three news outlets released 3 different departure times, which strongly indicates the flight never happened and a different 777 was shot down. And anyone could safely bet the now zio zombie Ukraine would dispose of flight 370 for a military perk from the U.S.

It is highly probable that flight 370 was substituted out, zombie flown either via remote by both fighter jets or by pre programmed autopilot with the transponder programmed to identify it as MH17, with all original passengers aboard and possibly other undesirables, and then shot down by the fighter jet escorts. Buk missiles produce a very noticeable plume, and no one documented any. In the day of cell phone cams, I would say zero documentation of something so noticeable means no missile launch. This points the finger at the fighter jet escorts which have always been completely scrubbed from the mainstream media and would do the dirty work at an altitude too high for any witnesses. And with Ukraine now operating as a zio proxy state, any investigation of the debris will be carried out "appropriately".

Obviously this is all guessing, but when we have an established media that is well proven to do nothing but lie with events such as this, a guess is better than practically anything the media would spew. One unanswered question is how the originating airport could be kept quiet about this, BUT if an intermediate tower not associated with the initial takeoff could be silenced about what they saw, and this was a very important psy op, I am certain the correct arrangements would be made at the originating location to keep a lid on this, which leaves the only other venue of proof being one documented cancellation on a flight tracker site, and numerous media errors regarding departure time.

If a departure for MH17 happened, only ONE time would be logged, yet within a short time I found 3, at 14 minutes, 15 minutes and 31 minutes past the hour (compensate yourself for time zone.) This inconsistency is practically bullet proof evidence no flight departure time was ever actually recorded, if a real departure happened all news sources would have the same departure time. This has all been preserved on this site in other posts farther down the page, they cannot go back and change them and get away with it.

So what actually happened as far as I see it?

The originating tower was re-staffed at least temporarily with people who would keep a secret about what really went on at the airport. Flight370 was remote flown or flown out via pre programmed autopilot with a transponder identifying it as MH17. It then received two fighter jet escorts when far enough away from the originating airport to not arouse suspicion and these fighter escorts for the most part stayed close enough to conceal their radar signature and provide "pilot feedback" from pilot absent zombie flown flight 370. At the appropriate time it was shot down.
HOW APPROPRIATE WAS THE TIMING OF THIS SHOOT DOWN? So appropriate it perfectly corresponded with the start of a massive Israeli ground assault on Gaza to divert public attention to something else. That is the FINAL red flag here, it is such a huge red flag it blocks out the sky above all other reason.


So, in short: MH370 was disposed of because it had to be gotten rid of, and it was done in a way that diverted news away from a huge assault on Gaza and as a bonus gave Russia a black eye. Milk it every way they can, by way of deception thou shalt do war, and though obviously none of this will ever be "officially" documented, the logic certainly fits.


And a final nail - MH17 is proceeding as normal, with normal flights THE DAY AFTER. When MH370 vanished, that route was cancelled FOR WEEKS. WHAT IS UP WITH THAT? Is anyone out there really stupid enough to believe business as usual would resume the the next scheduled flight after a genuine loss of an aircraft that flies anywhere near a war zone? That next scheduled flight is LANDING IN MALAYSIA THE DAY AFTER ON SCHEDULE AS I WRITE THIS, and I beg to question WHY. Is anyone out there gullible enough to buy the notion of business as usual after a genuine unexpected shoot down, or perhaps more importantly, the loss of two IDENTICAL 777 aircraft from the SAME AIRLINE within 4 months? FIGURE THE ODDS.

July 17 2014

Strong emperical evidence Israel shot down plane


Plane shoot down: approximately 14:15 UTC. Israeli assault on Gaza: 14:00 UTC. See a connection there? And when you consider the fact that it took time to confirm the downing, the two times actually match even more closely. Israel's assault on Gaza is viewed badly by the world community, what better way to bury it in the news than a plane shoot down, complete with the threat of a war with Russia?
And even if Russian forces did do this, it only takes a couple Jews among them to cause something like this. In my opinion it is case closed regarding this, with the only question being: was this used as cover for disposal of flight 370? Come on now, TWO MALAYSIA 777 AIRCRAFT IN 4 MONTHS? YEAH RIGHT. Any three year old would catch that B.S. if it involved airplane cookies instead.


UPDATE: Flightradar24.com now shows flight MH17 taking off ON TIME (July 18.) Yet when flight 370 vanished, it took weeks to resume. So either Malaysia airlines has multiple planes on this route, or they did not lose one. AND EVEN WITH THE NEW DEPARTURE TIME ESTIMATED, THE OLD DEPARTURE TIME FOR JULY 17 IS NOT LISTED AND THE FLIGHT STILL SHOWS AS CANCELED.

UPDATE: BUSTED: High level tampering with this web site over MH17 DOCUMENTED. If I log in to administer this web site, and I click the front page link to Flightradar24, I get This version of events, yet if I am not logged in to administer this site and hit the page like a random user, Flightradar switches the page served to THIS PAGE And they show a departure time of 10:31. Why then does this WIKIPEDIA report show the departure time as 10:14?
THEY HAVE SCREWED UP AND DID NOT GET THE TIMES STRAIGHT IN THIS FALSE FLAG. PEOPLE HOP ON THIS AND GET AS MANY CONFLICTING TIMES AS POSSIBLE DOCUMENTED.


CONFIRMED:Flightradar24.com is messing with results and screwed up a non existent departure time as proven by THE MSM. This inconsistency first noticed in a Wikipedia post is not a false edit or mistake

Keep in mind it is the minutes that matter here because time zones vary. 10:31 does not equal 6:15 no matter where you are on the globe, and for the record, this now confirms 3 different departure times, proof of a B.S. departure and re-enforcement of the possibility this really was the disposal of flight 370.


Shoot down now confirmed and therefore top posted


Gaza carnage has disappeared from the news over this shoot down, is this a secondary motive?

Judging from what is happening now, I am going to un officially call it - Flight 370 has been disposed of, Russia will be blackballed, and ISRAEL DID IT ALL, because under the waves generated by this shoot down story The ground invasion of Gaza has started and there is not a PEEP in the MSM about it. how convenient!


Robert
Sarnia, Ontario
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#47

A division of Buk missile systems of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was, according to Pravda, deployed to the Donetsk Oblast on July 15, two days before the downing of the Malaysian airlines MH17 flight. The Buk missile system has the capabilities of downing an aircraft flying at 35,000 feet.

While the Pravda report remains to be confirmed, Russian Defense sources confirm the presence of several missile batteries in the Donesk oblast operated by the Ukraine armed forces:

‘The Ukrainian military has several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers, capable of bringing down high-flying jets, in the Donetsk region where the Malaysian passenger plane crashed, Russian Defense Ministry said”(RT, July 17, 2014)



Of significance, the Prosecutor General of Ukraine Vitaliy Yarema confirmed that the Donesk rebels do not have Buk or S 300 ground to air missiles which could have downed the plane.

According to the Kiev Post report: “Ukrainian prosecutor general says militants did not seize Ukrainian air defense launchers”

Members of illegal armed units have not seized air defense launchers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Donetsk, Ukrainian Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema said. (Kiev Post)

Yarema also confirmed that according to military sources:

“After the passenger airliner was downed, the military reported to the president that terrorists do not have our air defense missile systems Buk and S-300,” (quoted by Itar-Tass).

This disclaimer is pro forma. It comes from official sources and can easily be reversed at a later date as part of the propaganda campaign directed against the Donbass rebels.

Yet what appears to be contradictory in these various statements is that immediately after the downing of MH17, an adviser to the Ukrainian Minister of Internal Affairs Mr. Anton Gerashchenko stated categorically that the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 MH17:

“had been downed by an air defense missile system Buk” (without however mentioning who was behind the missile operation)

According to the Ukraine Interfax News Agency Anton Gerashchenko, “said on Facebook that the plane was flying at an altitude of 33,000 feet when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher.” According to the Strait Times:

Mr Gerashchenko was quoted as saying: “A civilian airliner travelling from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has just been shot down by a Buk anti-aircraft system… 280 passengers and 15 crew have been killed.”

How could he have known what type of missile system had brought down the plane? His statement contradicts that of the Ukrainian military.

Gerashchenko runs a ministry of interior propaganda program at the www.stopterror.in.ua website. See also http://uacrisis.org/anton-gerashhenko/



How could he have been privy to this information of a military nature prior to the conduct of an investigation on the ground? Unless the Ministry of the Interior was directly involved.

It should be noted that the Ministry of Interior, largely under the control of the two Neo-Nazi parties Svoboda and Right Sector is responsible for “internal” military operations directed against rebel forces in Lugansk and Donbass, in coordination with the Armed Forces. The Ministry oversees both The Interior Troops of Ukraine (Внутрішні війська України, Vnutrisni Viys’ka Ukrayiny (VVU )) as well the National Guard (integrated by Right Sector militia).

The Spanish Air Controller’s Report at Kiev Borisol Airport

According to the controversial report of the Spanish air controller at Kiev Borisol airport there was an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian MH17 flight which took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine warzone.

The Spanish air controller intimates that the order to down the aircraft came from the Ministry of the Interior (Ministry of Internal Affairs) and not from the Military.

He also said that the MH17 flight was escorted by Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before it was downed.

“The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes”

It is worth noting that the presence of the Ukraine fighter jets reported by the Spanish air traffic controller was confirmed by eyewitness reports in the Donetsk region.

What is of significance is that the announcement of the downing of the aircraft (by a missile) by Kiev was almost immediate.

According to the Spanish air controller, the air control tower was informed of the downing of the aircraft at 12.00 hours, approximately ten minutes after it disappeared from the radar screen (11.50 hours). How could they have known unless they had concrete details on how it was shot down?

“Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared [from the radar] and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?”

According to air traffic controller, the information did not emanate from the Ministry of Defense:

“Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.”

“Members of the Military confirm. It was Ukraine, but still do not know where the order came from”

“For those who do not know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister”

The Spanish air traffic controller intimates that there were members of the military who were taking orders from the Ministry of the Interior:

“The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .”

“Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the Ukrainian army,”

Despite Washington’s accusations, pointing a finger at Russia and the “pro-Russian rebels”, the facts point to The Ministry of Interior’s VVU.

From official statements one has the distinct impression that there are profound divisions both within the government and the Ukraine Armed Forces as well as between various factions within the military.

The truth is being suppressed. The Spanish Air Traffic Controller has the object of death threats. He and his family were deported from Ukraine on orders of the Kiev regime.

Below we indicate relevant sections of the Spanish Air Traffic Controller’s Twitter messages:

11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,

The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar,

11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza

“If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter”

12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?

“Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?”

12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí

“7:00 minutes after [plane disappeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ”

12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también

“all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also”

13:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos

“Here the military commanders are in control and admit that the military could be following other orders , but not the pro-Russians”

13:29 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, .

“Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.”

13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden

“Members of the Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from”

13:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko

“Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following timishenko orders]”

13:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos

“The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes”

13:43 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo

“Airspace closed”

13:45 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos

“Airspace is closed, more downings feared”

15:17 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil

“military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile”

15:23 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado

“Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down”

15:26 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes

“The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas”

15:34 – 17 de jul. de 2014Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no

“Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t”

15:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine

“military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine”

15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior

“For those who do not know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister”

15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, .

“The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .”

16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,

“Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,”

[we are informed that the Spanish Air controller's Twitter account has been suspended]

While public attention has been distracted by the ISIS uprising in Iraq with the return of American ”troops on the ground,” the horrific devastation occurring in Ukraine continues with no real recognition by the US media of the role of self-motivated oligarch-funded militias in the use of heavy artillery, white phosphorous and cluster bombs against a civilian population.

Given Russian President Vladimir Putin’s impressive patience and test of his maturity during the weeks of US-instigated provocations by the Kiev government, its increased violent escalation of deadly military assaults on ethnic Russian civilians in east Ukraine, all aimed at luring the Russian army to “invade’ Ukraine, it was only a matter of time before the Kiev government and its allies with its reliance on US backing, created a sweet spot of escalation which even the strategically-minded Putin would find difficult to ignore.

The goal, of course, has been to entice Putin into an aggressive military response so that the US could wrap itself in the righteous flag as defenders of the peace and small children; then allege that Russia had committed assorted international, criminal and human rights violations. But early on Putin recognized the game for what it was.

While not the first cross border incident but perhaps the most flagrant violation of Russia’s sovereign border, a Ukrainian Air force plane crossed into Russian air space on Sunday along with an attack of up to six mortar shells in Doentsk (same name as the Ukraine city) in Russia’s Rostov province which killed its first civilian:

“I heard a scream, it was my younger brother, I grabbed him and ran towards the exit. Then I heard my father’s scream,” the girl said. “When my brother and I ran up to the door, glass from the windows shattered again. We stopped. When we went out to the porch, we saw my father lying there. He was without an arm. I was in shock, I thought it was a dream, I came back into the house, then went out again to see him lying there without an arm. He was screaming. My brother was screaming. We were bombed.”

The Russian Foreign Ministry in citing that Russia reserves the right to protect its citizens and territory promised that this “action will not be left without a corresponding reaction” called the shelling an “obviously aggressive act” and warned of ‘irreversible consequences’ and of a potential ‘dangerous escalation ..that puts our citizens in higher danger.”

However, for Putin to initiate even a measured retaliatory response, regardless of its merit, is to invite a direct, perhaps a ‘shock and awe’ assault from the United States on the civilian Russian population which is exactly what Obama has been hoping for.

After several weeks of persistent checkpoint attacks aimed, in part, at hindering what has now become a large-scale exodus of refugees from Ukraine, on July 12th a vehicle of Russian border guards came under fire from the Ukrainian side at Kuibyshev border crossing while the Novoshakhtinsk and Dolzhansky checkpoints, all in Rostov province in Russia, were shelled by mortars on June 20th. The Gukuvo checkpoint was under fire on June 28th and the villages of Vasetsky Khutor and Shakhta experienced shell explosions as assorted incidents of sniper fire were reported on civilian vehicles at the Izvarivo border checkpoint.

As the rebels were driven out of their base in Slyvansk, the Ukraine army predicts a ‘nasty surprise,” a plan, its security force says will crush the heavily urbanized city of Donetsk (Ukraine) rebels, a city of one million with a suburban population of two million. Cited by Forbes in 2012 as Ukraine’s best city for business, Donetsk is of major economic importance to the country. Home to a heavy industry base of steel plants, coal mines, a metallurgy, chemical and engineering industry and a skilled workforce explains why the financially struggling Kiev government is in a desperate brutal fight to control Donetsk and its economy.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has suggested that “Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko would like to ease tension and go on with the truce, there are other forces” including the “battalions of Igor Kolomoysky who do not obey Ukraine’s Central Command and the Commander-in-Chief.”

Lavrov’s mention of Kolomoysky, a Ukrainian oligarch with Israeli citizenship who is worth an estimated $6.3 billion according to Forbes, reveals the existence of a bank tycoon who continues to play an extraordinary role in turning the tide of war on behalf of the Kiev government. Of Jewish descent, Kolomoysky, who lives in Switzerland returned to Ukraine to accept appointment as Governor of the Dnipropetrovsk in March, 2014 in no small part to protect his investments and to benefit from bank ‘reform’ under the recently signed European Trade Association Agreement (ETAA). In Dnipropetrovsk, an area of heavy industry second only to the Donetsk province, Kolomoysky is known for his aggressive take-over of businesses using armed guards when necessary. The ETAA is essentially the same document that exiled President Yankovych refused to sign in February in opposition to acquiescing political control of Ukraine to the EU in return for complying with strict trade and austerity requirements.

Since April, Kolomoysky has reportedly spent more than $10 million to create the 2,000 battle-ready Dnipro Battalion (with 20,000 reserve troops) which is not limited to military engagement within the Dnipropetrovsk province. Considered a terrorist group by the Putin government for its role in the deadly arson attack in Odessa and the massacre of Mariupol civilians, Dnipro has also been cited as responsible for the shelling of Slovyansk, Kramatorsk and Donetsk which has driven 50,000 from their homes. Dnipro was also implicated in storming the Krasnoarmeick city hall in May to stop the balloting.

Ukraine authorities reportedly support other oligarch-funded militias like the Donbass and Azov Battalions, none of which are limited to their local regions, and a very interesting clandestine group referred to as the black men, all considered more reliable than the Ukrainian military.

Offering a $10,000 bounty for the capture of any pro-Russian separatist, former Presidential candidate and local member of Parliament Oleg Tsarev became a prime target after receiving a threatening phone call from Kolomoysky. Informed that a Jewish solider from the Dnipro Battalion had been killed in fighting and that members of the Jewish community had put a reward of one million dollars on his head, Tsarev withdrew from the Presidential race after being beaten by a mob in Kiev and after his home was burnt to the ground. Tsarev then moved his family to Moscow but has been sighted recently in Kramatorsk.

While the merging of Ukraine’s anti-semitic fascists and Israeli Zionists may appear to be a clash of contradictory interests but in reality represents a comfortably militant philosophic union on the benefits of war, Kolomoysky has said he will not be governed by Poroshenko, has challenged the Kiev government’s legitimacy, declared himself to be a ‘separatist’ and has promised to continue military operations until all the Moskal (Russians) are killed.

The shark aquarium in Kolomoysky’s office may reveal more about the man than he would like especially with the recent controversy surrounding his effort to establish the European Jewish Union in 2011 after being denied a leadership position in other European Jewish organizations. The EJU then went on to establish a European Jewish Parliament modeled on the Knesset which met for the first time in February, 2012. Created to represent the concerns of Europe’s Jewish community to the European Union, the Jewish Parliament got off to a shaky start when soccer star David Beckham, filmmaker Roman Polanski, comic actor Sacha Baron Cohen, Pee Wee Herman and fashion designer Diane von Furstenburg among other surprised nominees were announced as candidates for election to the Jewish Parliament.

While Poroshenko talks tough promising that the “militants will pay tens and even hundreds of their own lives for the life of each of our soldiers” as if he and his government are in charge, the fact is that the irrational Kolomoysky and his Battalion, in what otherwise would be considered insubordination and treason, are encouraged to behave like international outlaws, reminiscent of how Israel deals with the Palestinians. They owe no loyalty to the Kiev government and are totally unaccountable to any one including the Ukraine Army’s military authority – and given the US delusional foreign policy of attempting to box Putin in, the possibility of a demented out-of-control oligarch triggering a nuclear crisis is too horrendous to consider.

Renee Parsons was a staffer in the U.S. House of Representatives and a lobbyist on nuclear energy issues with Friends of the Earth. in 2005, she was elected to the Durango City Council and served as Councilor and Mayor. Currently, she is a member of the Treasure Coast ACLU Board.

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On July 15, a division of Buk missile systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was deployed in the area of Donetsk. The firing range of the Buk missile system reaches 43 kilometers. The Boeing 777 of Malaysia Airlines was flying at the height of 10,600 kilometers. Representatives of the breakaway republics of Ukraine said that the militias had neither such weapons, nor skills for such an attack.

An aircraft flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters [33,ooo feet] can be destroyed only with S-300 or Buk type of weapon. Militias do not can and can not have such systems at their disposal.

The leadership of the People’s Republic of Donetsk did not exclude that the Boeing-777 of Malaysia Airlines could be shot down by the Ukrainian military. The fighting in the area, where the Boeing crashed, is very serious.

On board the crashed Boeing 777, there were 295 people. All of them were killed in the crash. The plane crashed in Ukraine, 60 kilometers from the Russian border.

Eurocontrol, the European Organisation for the Safety of Air Navigation, announced that it was closing the airspace above Ukraine.

On board the crashed airliner, there were no Russian citizens. The passengers on board the MA Boeing 777 were US, British and Dutch nationals. There were 80 children on board, but the information about the citizenship of the killed passengers is unconfirmed and needs to be verified.

On Thursday, July 17, Boeing 777 of Malaysia Airlines en route Amsterdam-Kuala Lumpur, crashed in the Donetsk region of Ukraine. There were 280 passengers and 15 crew members on board. The crash left no survivors.

Almost immediately after the news began to spread that a Malaysian Airlines plane was apparently shot down over Ukraine, Western media and politicians blamed Russia for the event, claiming that Russian President Vladimir Putin should be directly responsible, despite complete lack of concrete evidence about who is to blame. This event is being used by the United States and its Western allies to further isolate Russia, after they failed to achieve this objective by provoking Russia in Ukraine.

Unjustified blame on Russia

While Putin took the right approach by stating that the plane crash in eastern Ukraine must be investigated thoroughly and objectively, Western politicians used the disaster for their own political agenda of isolating Russia. Former U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Clinton has stated that the crisis should “wake Europe up to the threat posed by Putin”. In fact, this event is very beneficial to the United States, who have been unsuccessfully trying to persuade its European allies to slap heavy sanctions on Russia. NATO and the US have been provoking Russia to intervene in Ukraine by allowing Western-backed Ukrainian President Poroshenko to kill ethnic Russian civilians in Ukraine and even shelling Russian territory, killing a Russian national. Putin rightly did not fall for these provocations. The United States, therefore, wasted no time in using this plane crash for their own political gains, pressuring Europe to escalate sanctions against Moscow. Clinton has already called for the EU to increase sanctions on Russia, while the Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott called on Russia to explain the disaster as it “now seems certain it’s been brought down by a Russian-supplied surface-to-air missile”, despite complete lack of strong evidence for such a claim.

Ukrainian military could be responsible for the crash

While western media and politicians have unilaterally blamed Russia for the disaster, they have failed to mention the other side of the story that suggests that the Ukrainian military may have been responsible.

The Russian Defense Ministry has said that when a Malaysian Airlines plane was apparently shot down over Ukraine, a Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational in the region. The ministry said that the battery was deployed at a site from which it could have fired a missile at the airliner. The Defense Ministry also added that the Ukrainian military has several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers, capable of bringing down high-flying jets, in the Donetsk region where the Malaysian passenger plane crashed. Furthermore, hours after the crash of the Boeing 777 was reported, Kiev published what it called intercepted communications between militia officers and their Russian handler to apparently discuss the take-down of a civilian aircraft by the militia. However, as was noted in this video, the alleged intercepted conversation was created before the plane crashed, suggesting that not only is the conversation fake, but whoever created it was aware about the impending disaster.

Ultimately, right now it is very difficult to confirm who was responsible for the crash, but it is imperative to know that there is some evidence that the Ukrainian military may have been involved, thus nullifying the unjustified claims that Russia is definitely to blame.

“Arming the rebels” hypocrisy

The United States and its Western allies have claimed that Russia should take the blame for the plane crash as it allegedly supplies heavy weaponry to the rebels in Ukraine. What has not been discussed in the mainstream media is the fact that the United States supplies Israel with weapons that are currently being used to slaughter civilians in Gaza. On the same day as the Malaysian plane crash, Israeli tanks, infantry and engineering units launched a broad assault on Gaza. Eleven Palestinians have been killed since the ground invasion, adding to at least 240 Palestinians that have already been killed in Israeli air strikes since 8 July, many of them children. This number is just a small proportion of the Palestinians that have been killed over the years by Israeli weapons supplied by the United States. Yet, America has not faced any repercussions for supplying deadly military equipment to a state that slaughters civilians and illegally occupies foreign land. It is completely hypocritical of the West to criticise Russia for allegedly supplying Ukrainian rebels (who are being aggressively shelled by the Ukrainian army) with weapons, while at the same time helping Israel to kill Palestinian civilians by supplying it with deadly military armaments.

One rule for the West, another rule for the rest

It is also worth remembering that on 3 July 1998, Iran Air Flight 655, a civilian passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai, was shot down by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes. All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, died. Despite receiving ample criticism, the United States was allowed to get away with this crime, despite concrete evidence that it was responsible for the disaster. The United States agreed to pay US$61.8 million to Iran, but never apologised or admitted responsibility. Meanwhile, while there is no evidence whatsoever that Russia was responsible for the Malaysian plane crash is likely to face heave sanctions and isolation. This is just another example of the West ganging up on countries that refuse to follow Washington’s sinister agenda.

Alexander Clackson is the founder of Global Political Insight, a political media and research organisation. He has a Master’s degree in International Relations. Alexander works as a political consultant and frequently contributes to think-tank and media outlets.



On July 17, 2014 the madness of three-month-long Ukrainian military conflict in the East has brought the first shocking international consequence. At 3.20PM GMT the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777-200 jet flight #MH-17 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala-Lumpur disappeared inside the Ukrainian airspace right above the area of intense military combat in Donetsk region and crushed near Grabovo village, around 60 km to the east from Donetsk. All 285 passengers and 15 crew members have reportedly died.

According to data available the airliner “was moving at the altitude of 10,600 meters on the 350th flight level”. This flight level was opened for international transit flights, despite since July 8, 2014 the Ukrainian aviation authorities “did not recommend” international transit flights in the area below 302th level i.e. 9600 meters due to the “anti-terrorist operation” unleashed in the area involving Ukrainian pursuit aviation and air-defense capabilities in action. So formally the Malaysian company complied with the ruling of Ukrainian civil aviation authority although the security risk for the flight was evident.

The area of the catastrophe is indeed the epicentre of the ongoing fierce fighting between regular Ukrainian army units and rebellious armed militias of Novorossia opposing anti-constitutional February coup d’etat in Kiev. An informed source monitoring operational situation in the area has revealed earlier on Wednesday that a battery of Buk antiaircraft missile systems of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was deployed near Donetsk. At present, another battery of the same missile systems is being loaded in Kharkiv. The aircraft flying at the altitude of more than 10 thousand meters might be hit only with weapons like S-300 or Buk. The militias don’t have such weapons, and cannot afford them as it was acknowledged even by the Ukrainian Defense minister Valery Galetey in a statement on another issue two days before the Flight MH-17 tragedy:

“…a “powerful weapon” must have been used to down the plane flying at 6,500 meters, an altitude the shoulder-fired missiles used by the separatists can’t reach.”

Bswi_mLCYAAq_xdThe Russian military expert Igor Korotchenko argues that the catastrophe in Donetsk was most likely caused by the incompetence and non-professionalism of the Ukrainian operators of the Buk systems during its testing after the battery was deployed in the new location. He said that the Ukrainian antiaircraft unit did not have any kind of proper training for the last 23 years since the collapse of Soviet Union.

What happened today is hardly the first case of “errant shooting” of the Ukrainian military on civilian air targets. On October 4, 2001 the Russian Siberia Airline flight #1812 Tel-Aviv-Novosibirsk carrying 66 passengers and 12 crew members was erroneously hit by a Ukrainian missile over the Black Sea during military exercises, which was eventually admitted by the Ukrainian side. No one on board survived.

So regardless the MH-17 incident was caused by the criminal negligence and incompetence of the Ukrainian military or deliberate (and reckless) Kiev’s provocation to put blame on Russia, the strong international commitment to make Kiev immediately halt its punitive actions in Novorossia until all the circumstances of the tragedy are thoroughly investigated is urgently needed.

Location map of the point (marked in red) of the air strike against Flight MH-17 according to the flight tracking data.

Location map of the point (marked in red) of the air strike against Flight MH-17 according to the flight tracking data.

UPDATE #1 (4PM MSK)

The fact of unmotivated change of the transit route over Ukraine of the notorious flight #MH-17 on the day of tragedy should be carefully considered by the investigation commission:

Flight route MH-17 on July 14, 2014 (Source: flightaware.com)

Flight route MH-17 on July 14, 2014 (Source: flightaware.com)

Flight route MH-17 on July 15, 2014 (Source: flightaware.com)

Flight route MH-17 on July 15, 2014 (Source: flightaware.com)

Flight route MH-17 on July 16, 2014 (Source: flightaware.com)

Flight route MH-17 on July 16, 2014 (Source: flightaware.com)

Flight route MH-17 on July 17, 2014 was notably redirected from the standard line (Source: flightaware.com)

Flight route MH-17 on July 17, 2014 was notably redirected from the standard line (Source: flightaware.com)

According to the reports, the deviation of the flight MH-17 leading to the passage over the combat area was carried out on the request of the Ukrainian Dnipropetrovsk Air Space Control Centre. The key question is whether it was a tragic coincidence or deliberate provocative act…

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Enough is to doubt that this is a scenario that aims to destroy the Malaysian company, which is owned by the state and about to be privatized

Davor Domazet Loso, geostrategic and geopolitical analyst and former Chief of Staff of the Croatian Army, believes that pro-Russian separatists did not destroy Malaysian aircraft. He views tragedy of the aircraft, which took place over Ukraine, through the prism of geopolitics.

- Overall global crisis heats up. It goes by its horrible path. The tragedy of the aircraft I will call the fall because it was flying at 10,000 feet and it is very doubtful that it could be brouht down by missile system the pro-Russian forces in eastern Ukraine own. Destruction of the aircraft at these altitudes must exsist a sophisticated missile system. Buk is mentioned, but I doubt that it was used because it requires a special training, special installations, and intelligence services would know that it exists. It is very doubtful that such a system was used - says Loso.

Our source recalls that recently disappeared aircraft of the same company and explains two possible scenarios for the crash.

- There is enough doubt that there is a scenario that aims to destroy the Malaysian company, which is owned by the state, so it could be privatized. Another possible scenario, in the context of the fact that it happened over Ukraine is, that will now be recriminations on both sides. In a way, this will further complicate the crisis and make even more difficult to be able to say who is right and who is not. It is one of the principles of crisis management.

Part of the entire story Loso believes make sanctions imposed by U.S. President Obama.

- They have not been introduced so much because of Ukraine, as because of the geopolitical moves by Vladimir Putin. They occurred at the same time while Putin was visiting Latin America. He was in Cuba where he wrote off the debt Cuba had versus Russia, and invests the money in the base for intelligence activities near Havana. There is also the invitation from the President of Nicaragua, and meeting with Angela Merkel at the final game of the World Socer Cup, and his visit to Argentina, where the 24-hour broadcast Russian program in Spanish language is emitted. Here Russia has shown the aproach of political intelligence, media and in financial area. In addition, the BRICS countries have established a fund of hundreds of billions of dollars and created a financial system that aims to break down that Anglo-Saxon.

Loso believes that the kill of the aircraft must be viewed in the context of geopolitical turmoil and related reshuffling.

- Russia has, during the last three or four months consolidated anex of the Black Sea Crimea. It started an intensive exploitation of oil in the Arctic. Created a strategic forces for strategic deployment, established the forces for special actions.
On the other hand, China enters Africa. This means that Russia and China are slowly "suuround" America, and as, so far, far America had done the same to them- concludes Admiral Loso.

The plane crash killed 298 people.

TRICKS WITH BLACK BOXES

International experts arrived at Boeing crash site in Ukraine, but could not proceed to a full investigation

July 19, 2014, 19:20
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Author: Ivan Chernov



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Investigation into the crush of the Malaysian Boeing is complicated not only by local war, but also by disputes over responsibilities. Thus the Kiev authorities, and representatives of Malaysia and international organizations, would like to receive the black boxes, but so far we only know that the recorders are found and are "on the territory of Ukraine." At the same place "some experts" admitted, who take the bodies and do not communicate with the OSCE.

"They are on the territory of Ukraine"

OSCE representatives working at the crash site of a Malaysian Boeing in the Donetsk region of Ukraine did not have data on the location of the black boxes of the aircraft, said Saturday the spokesman of the OSCE mission in Ukraine Michael Bochurkiv.

"We are now getting more access than yesterday. We saw that they did not seen before. Also, there are many well-armed men. They are watching us intently. We want to know what happened to the "black boxes" - RIA "Novosti" quotes him .

He also noted the work at the crash site of some experts who deal with dead bodies and the wreckage. It is unknown who are tthey, reported representatives of the OSCE who has not yet had the opportunity to talk with them.

"They are committed to take the bodies. Contacts with them is very limited, "- said Bochurkiv.

Also Malaysia requires the issuance that black boxes are owned by the plane ovner, reports RT.

Malaysia ransport Minister Liou Tiong Lai said at a press conference that he still does not know the location of flight recorders: "We intend to get them, so that the group of experts went to Ukraine and with the samet purpose, I'm going to Kiev" .

The minister also called "to protect the wreckage." "We call on all parties to ensure the safety of the place of the tragedy so the evidence is not to be destroyed. We want all parties to respect the grief that has befallen us, "- quotes him ITAR-TASS.

"We hope that our experts can get to the crash site, as promised ... the Ukrainian government should do everything to ensure that justice prevailes," - he said.

The official also said that the crashed Boeing did not deviate from its route and was not flying in the no-fly zone, as reported by some media.

Representatives of Malaysia Airlines at the same press conference, said that the pilots followed the instructions of the local controllers.

"Pilots should fly at an altitude of 35 thousand feet, controllers drove them down to 33 thousand," - said the representative of the airline.

In turn, the Ukrainians claim that no black boxes were found by them.

"The Ukrainian side has received no black boxes. This is the official information. We do not have one, "- said at a press briefing on Saturday Representative Information Center of the National Security and Defense Council (NSDC) of Ukraine Andriy Lysenko, reports" Interfax ".

A Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin said only that the flight recorders were found: "And I hope that they will be transferred to a government commission. They are on the territory of Ukraine ", - he noted.

Prospects

On Saturday, the prospects of the investigation were discussed by telephone between Russian President Vladimir Putin and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, said the press service of the Kremlin.

Both sides "stressed the importance of a thorough and objective investigation of all the circumstances of the incident," indicated the administration.

Merkel positively assessed the readiness of Russia to send their representatives to participate in the investigation. And urged that the international commission under the control of ICAO «involves all stakeholders."

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry later in the frank discussion agreed on the need to open and impartial investigation into the crash, added on Saturday the Russian Foreign Ministry.

Previously, the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC) urged that the commission is given the black boxes. By careful international and independent investigation it urged the UN Security Council so.

On Sunday, to the place of tragedy should arrive a group of experts from Interpol and Europol, reports Reuters. They shall help in identifying the dead and to returning their remains to their homeland.

Prior to this, the Ukrainian government has invited to participate in the investigation of the crash Malaysia, the Netherlands, the European Commission representatives, the Boeing company, ICAO, Eurocontrol and the NTSB. While Kiev opposed to export black boxes abroad.

Safety and recriminations

Meanwhile, the situation at the crash site of Boeing in the Donetsk region remains daunting. Minister of Transport of Malaysia said on Saturday that the security there does not meet the requirements.

Militiamen with DNR said that Ukrainian troops, despite the negotiations on the establishment of a 20-kilometer security zone in the area of ​​PE, continue firing.

The Prime Minister of the People's Republic of Donetsk Alexander Boroday said that leaving experts to the crash site is delayed through the fault of Kiev.

"Eighty-one representatives of the international investigative group meanwhile remain in Kiev and will not be able to arrive on the scene until tomorrow. This tonight we have reported to the representation of the OSCE mission in Donetsk "- quoted Beard RIA" Novosti ".

PM of DNR added that in the disaster area is very difficult humanitarian situation, as the bodies are begining to decompose and part of these bodies fell in a residential area. Locals need to do something, but at the request of the experts is that bodies and aircraft parts must remain intact until the beginning of the commission.

"Perhaps we are dealing with deliberate delaying tactic on the Ukrainian side. It must be understod that the more time passes, the more complicated the objective investigation of accident becomes", - stressed Boroday.

Source to RIA News stated that in the Russian power structures also accuse Kiev that instead of actually conduct an investigation, "it engaged in innuendo."

"Unfortunately, the Ukrainian authorities, especially the SBU, instead of taking concrete steps to investigate the causes of the crash of the Boeing, in particular to ensure the preservation of evidence, engaged in manufacturing all sorts of fantasies and innuendo, pushing sweeping accusations and unconfirmed version, which is no comment sense, "- he said.

"To the Ukrainian authorities have arisen too many questions about " Buk " and combat aircraft in the disaster area. They need to start a large-scale investigation into all the circumstances of action Sun, National Guard and other operating in Ukraine armed structures, of which nobody knows the number and who obey to nobody. And this is to be investigated, "- said the source.

Earlier, the Russian Defense Ministry has formulated 10 simple questions to Kiev about downed aircraft, which has not yet been responded.

Summing up, on Thursday Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 fell on the territory of Ukraine near the Russian border. On board were 298 people, all of them died.

A number of countries and individual airlines announced the termination of flights over Ukraine.

After the tragedy of different countries accuse each other that the plane was shot down. While Kiev and Western countries tend to blame for what happened militias fighting on the South-East of Ukraine or Russia. In Russia they say that all these unfounded suspicions and finding more and more evidence that the tragedy involves the Ukrainian army.

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19 July 2014, 13:10


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Author: Иван Чернов

Russian Ministry of Defense sent the 10 simple questions to Kiev about downed plane

Kiev and the militia on Saturday have not agreed to establish a security zone at the crash site of a Malaysian Boeing. Minister of Transport of Malaysia also was displeased about measures taken in this regard. In response to vague accusations against militias by Kiev Russian Defense Ministry addressed a list of specific questions to understand what systems were used against aircraft.

10 questions about falling

The Russian Defense Ministry on Saturday offered to Kievto to provide to the international community data about keeping its missiles so experts could have the opportunity to determine what system could be used to kill the Malaysian Boeing, ITAR-TASS reported.

Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov also formulated ten, in his words, "simple questions" Kiev.

"Answers to these questions would allow to all of us, not only in Russia but also in Western countries and in the East, in Asia, to try to find an answer to the main question - what happened in the sky over the Ukraine and that we need to do in order to provide that it not happens again "- said Antonov during the broadcast on channel " Russia-24 ".

Here are the questions:

1. Ukrainian authorities have identified the perpetrators of the tragedy instantly, of course, in their opinion, this was pro-Russian militia. What are the basis of these findings?

2. Could official Kiev report all the details of it-s usage of "Buk" systems in a war zone, and most importantly why these systems are deployed, if there is no militia planes?

3. What are the causes of inactivity of Ukrainian authorities on the formation of an international commission, and when it will take effect? The international community awaits.

4. Are the armed forces of Ukraine about to submit papers to international experts accounting the use of the "air-to-air" and "ground-to-air" missiles? This is a very important issue that will help to determine which systems were used against Malaysian Boeing.

5. Will the data be provided by means of the objective control on the movement of the Ukrainian Air Force aircraft on the day of the tragedy to the international commission?

6. Why Ukrainian aircraft dispatchers allowed deviation to the north, in the direction of the so-called anti-terrorist operation area which carries the official Kiev against the people of the south-east of the country?

7. Why it was not completely closed to civilian aircraft airspace over the combat zone? Especially because in this area there is no solid radar navigation?

8. Is today official Kyiv comment on the net claiming to be from the Spanish fligt manager, working in Ukraine, which said that downed Boeeing was acompained bty two Ukrainian military aircraft?

9. Why SBU published record of talks with Ukrainian crew dispatchers and Boeing Ukrainian radar data without international representatives?

10. How were the lessons from previous similar disasters like Russian Tu -154 that was killed over the Black Sea used? Then the leaders of Ukraine until the last moment denied involvement of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in that tragedy, and only after we have presented irrefutable facts, was proved who was the real culprit of that tragedy.

Antonov also commented on the recent statements by Western politicians. According to him, "it all looks like a continuation of the information war, which for many months is deployed against Russia, and we feel the consequences of this war."

By the way, earlier and Russia's envoy to the UN Vitaly Churkin wondered almost the same questions: "To eery normal person, I'm sure, first of all the question arises: why Ukrainian air traffic controllershave sent a passenger plane into a war zone?"

Bringing down on militias and Russian

Recall, President Barack Obama said on Friday that Boeing was downed in militia controlled territory. According to the American leader, was premature to say, intentionally or accidentally a plane was hit. At the same time, he said, the United States has evidence to suggest that Russia is supplying weapons to enemies of Kiev.

Obama also asked the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko do everything to ensure that evidence from the crash site had remained untouched "until the arrival of a group of aviation experts and the U.S. Bureau of Transportation Safety", reported NTV.

In turn, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden said that said experts will arrive in Ukraine in the coming days and spoke about "shooting in the sky," made presumably by militias.

"I say," it is obvious that the plane was shot down, "because we do not have all the details, but I want to say for sure it was shot down. It is not an accident, he was shot out of the sky. We have offered our assistance to the President of Ukraine to investigating the causes, and he took it. Our experts will soon go there to get to the bottom ", - said Biden.

In a statement, the UK government also says that the plane was most likely knocked by militia: "Although it is too early to speak with categorical statements about the cause of the disaster, growing evidence says that the plane was hit by a " land-to-air " missile , launched from area, located near the village Torez, the territory controlled by the separatists "- says a statement at RIA" Novosti ".

A little earlier, and U.S. ambassador to the UN, Samantha Power said that the plane of Malaysia Airlines, «very likely", was hit by "ground-to-air" missile , fired from the territory controlled by militias.

She added that due to the technical complexity of the system "Buk" The U.S. can not rule out that the militia was assisted by Russian specialists.

Earlier, the Wall Street Journal, citing a source from the security services reported that U.S. intelligence has documented launch, which had, allegedly, shot down Malaysian airliner that crashed in Ukraine. It was noted that members of the intelligence agencies disagree on exactly where it flew.

"The White House even before the investigation of the disaster of Boeing established exactly who is to blame. Earlier, the White House just found that Saddam had WMD (weapons of mass destruction - Approx. LOOK) "- wrote in connection with the recent accusations Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin on Twitter.

Russian MoD made ​​it clear that no military equipment, including a "Buk" system did not cross the border of Ukraine from Russian territory.

"The same applies to the statement of official Kiev about the receive of two " spotters fire " complex" Buk "supposedly by non-Russian citizens. Explains that specialists fire spotters are used only for those weapons systems, the objectives of which are located on the ground, "- said the representative office.

At the same militia admitted that they have acquired one combat "Buk" complex, but to make it operable it is simply impossible for technical reasons.

The U.S. has no evidence of transfr of "Buk" systems by the militia or out of Russia said in turn Pentagon spokesman John Kirby.

"I have no specific information about the complexes of " Buk ". It is a complex system, and it is difficult to assume that the separatists can use it without at least some support from Russia, "- he said.

"We do not know who was responsible for the rocket launch," - ITAR-TASS quoted him.

Defense Minister of Donetsk's Republic directly blamed the crash on the Ukrainian troops: "First, no one admits that we destroyed it. Secondly, all are confident that it was knocked by Ukraine – they have been long awaiting such an abomination. Third, the "geopolitics" soldiers in the trenches are not so peculiar. Possible consequences of brilliantly performed provocation will be felt much later ... if they will come, of course, "- quoted his words on the page" Reports from small Igor Ivanovich "in the social network" VKontakte ".

We add that the night before the OSCE countries, after five hours of consultation, agreed on a statement about the fall of the Malaysian Boeing. The document was adopted in the original version, and the proposals of Ukraine (also supported by the United States) for the inclusion of the thesis of "condemning the terrorists who shot down the plane" in the text does not contain.

By the way, in America there are questions as to the suspicions against Russia, and the statement about the crash by President Barack Obama. So, many have noted that about the tragedy Obama has learned from a telephone conversation with his Russian counterpart during his visit in his country. Arriving in Delaware, before election speech he devoted to what happened in the sky over Ukraine about 40 seconds, saying on this topic literally seven phrases. And then, after mentioning that "looks like a terrible tragedy could happen," switched to the main theme of his speech - the development of infrastructure in the United States - and ... began to joke with the audience, according to ITAR-TASS.

The Boston Globe correspondent at the White House Matt Weiser latter summarized that as follows: "To sum up Obama: Crashed plane. Perhaps tragedy. Trying to establish whether the U.S. citizens on board. And actually - very glad we came to you in Delaware! "

Conservative media and the blogosphere exploded in the U.S. also indignant responses. President expostulated that he looks pale against the background of the Russian leader, shows political shortsightedness and spineless.

The next day the picture was quite different. Obama grimly went to press in the briefing room of the White House and read emphasized formidable, although factually verified copy. He spoke about the disaster liner as a "nightmare of unimaginable proportions." Not directly accusing Russia, meanwhile he constantly spoke about suspicions about her.

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Kiev and the militias have agreed to establish a security zone at the Boeing crash site, said Saturday the head of the Ukrainian Security Service Valentyn Nalyvaychenko.

"Trilateral talks concluded that there are 20 square kilometers in Ukraine to fulfill a humane mission, took the body to their relatives ... A tripartite group includes representatives of Russia" - quoted Nalivaychenko RIA "Novosti".

Meanwhile, the authorities of the DNI after security forces were accused of firing on Malaysian aircraft crash site.

"Territory is raked from the Ukrainian territory with heavy machine guns. My proposal is to establish a 10-kilometer non-weapon zone. Ukrainian side took a pause for reflection, but the answer we have not got "- was quoted Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Donetsk's Republic Purgina by " Interfax ".

Earlier the airline Malaysia Airlines reported that it has established citizenship of all passengers on that fateful voyage. According to recent data, out of 298, 192 people on board were citizens of the Netherlands (including one at the same time was a citizen of the United States), 44 - Malaysia (including 15 crew members), 27 - Australia 12 - Indonesia, 10 - UK, four - Belgium four - Germany, three - the Philippines, one - and one of Canada - New Zealand.

Also was specified the number of scientists, flying this flight to a conference in Melbourne. According to the president of the International AIDS Society-Francoise Barre-Sinoussi, on board were six of her colleagues, rather than 100 specialists, as reported by some media earlier, reports Agence France Presse.

Currently, according to the State Service of Ukraine of Emergencies, at the crash site in the Donetsk region were found the bodies of 186 out of of 298 victims. Search continues within area of ​​25 square kilometers, including the local reservoir.

On Saturday from Malaysia in Kiev arrived more than 130 professionals to help in the investigation. They will stay in Ukraine until March next year.

Boeing was shot down, although it not entered the no-fly zone, said at a press conference, Minister of Transport Malaysia Liou Tiong Lai.

"Everything looks so that the plane was shot down. But it did not enter the no-fly zone ", - he said. Acording to him, security measures at the scene now do not comply.

"We hope that our experts can get to the crash site, as promised by the Ukrainian government. I will go to Ukraine tonight and I hope I can help, "- said the Minister.

However, he made ​​it clear that Russia is doing everything possible to ensure safety at the crash site.

Malaysia Airlines airline representative in turn, said that the flight path of the aircraft that crashed was safe, and that errors had been committed.

Also on Saturday, it became known that on the Boeing crash site was a relative of senior politician from Malaysia. Defense Minister Datuk Seri Hishamuddin Tun Hussein, who is the nephew of Prime Minister Najib Razak, confirmed that on the plane was flying 83-year-old grandmother of the premiere, reports Agence France Presse.

Sri City Amir was the second wife of the prime minister of Malaysia grandfather. She was traveling to the biggest Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha in Jakarta.

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The actual Time Magazine cover from 12th September 1983


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Who shot down Malaysian Airlines Flight 17? New Cold War, same old propaganda

Joe Quinn
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East Ukrainian rebels inspect the crash site of MH17
Is everyone enjoying the show? The ridiculously transparent attempt by the entire Western media and their political 'elite' masters to use the alleged shooting down of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 as part of their 'asymmetric' warfare against Russia and Vladimir Putin. Even the supposedly 'leftist' UK Guardian newspaper has been running headlines like World demands answers from Russia after Malaysia Airlines plane's destruction over Ukraine and Hilary Clinton (wasn't she fired?) wasted no time in declaring authoritatively that Russian rebels were responsible for the downing of the plane and that "Putin has gone too far". Clinton's statement clearly exposes her own and her former government's complete lack of respect for due process, truth, and the extreme prejudice with which they both view the Russian Federation. It's also clearly complete and utter BS because no one could possibly know who was responsible for the shooting down of Flight MH17 just a few hours after it fell out of the sky.

Then again, the US government never did let the facts get in the way of a good dose of propaganda, and to be fair, from the point of view of Clinton and her ilk, Putin has gone 'too far', but it has nothing to do with any Malaysian aircraft.

Context is Everything

Despite how the Western media would like us all to think about this attack, the supposed shooting down of Flight 17 over the Donetsk region of Ukraine, just 60 kms from the Russian border, has to be considered in the context of events in the region over the course of the last 9 months.

In late 2013 anti-government protests in Ukraine were hijacked by the US government's phony NGOs and, with the help of US- and EU-trained and funded neo-Nazi thugs known as the 'Right Sector', President Yanukovych was violently forced out of power and a client regime, hand-picked by the US State Department and including several neo-Nazi types, was installed.

The intent of the coup was clear to the Russian government: to kick Russia's Black Sea fleet out of Crimea and remove all of Ukraine (along with its large Russian population) from the Russian Federation's 'sphere of influence'. In response to this obvious imperial aggression, Russia acted quickly to secure Crimea and provide support for the millions of ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine. When Eastern Ukrainians subsequently held a referendum to explore the possibility of seceding from Ukraine, the puppet government in Kiev sent their neo-Nazi thugs and ill-trained stooge conscripts to beat the Eastern Ukrainians back into line. It hasn't worked out too well for Kiev on that score, and since then, "civil war" has been raging in select parts of Eastern Ukraine, or so we're told. In reality, Eastern Ukrainian citizens are fighting and dying in defense of their right not to live under the dictates of a US/NATO-funded and inspired fascist central government.

Russia has undoubtedly been aiding the East Ukrainian rebels in various ways, but there has been no evidence of direct Russian participation in the conflict, despite repeated claims to that effect by the Kiev regime and the US. In any case, the US is hardly in a position to complain about Russian funding rebels in a foreign country to achieve political objectives, having practiced that form of proxy warfare for decades in dozens of countries around the world, albeit on the side of brutal dictators and warlords. The thing that really sticks in the craw of the US government is that other major powers are meant to do what they have always done, i.e. what America says, not what it does, especially when, in this case, the rebels are fighting against US imperial hegemony over Eastern Europe and greater Eurasia.

The fact is that the US's stint as as the world's richest and most powerful nation is coming to a close because there's only so long a bully can exploit the playground before other kids either grow up, or gang up on the bully and, at the very least, say 'no'. In many cases, the bully gets the shit kicked out of him as payback. In the real world global political playground, the US has taken a series of beatings at the hands of Russia over the past few months, and they're really unhappy about it. No one is allowed to question US exceptionalism.

This image from just last week of the leaders of the BRICS nations and the heads of just about every other Latin American government all happily grouped around a smiling Vladimir Putin is an example of what I mean:

I can imagine that image (and the message it sent) caused blood pressures in the US State Department to go through the roof... then again, the US State Dept. has been gunning for Putin ever since he quietly and efficiently said "No" to the US over Crimea and Ukraine. Just ask your friends in Western nations what they think of Putin and you'll understand the extent of the massive media campaign that has been going on for the past 3-4 months to attack and discredit him and all things Russian.

As much as the NATO war-lovers would have liked to deal with Russia in the same way as they dealt with Gaddafi, Russia is just too economically and militarily potent and globally interconnected for them to risk an open war that would also jeopardize their own economic interests. For once, globalization appears to have prevented a US attack on another country rather than serving as the impetus for one. Deprived of their big stick, the US empire builders fell back on a propaganda offensive, ramping up the 'cold war' rhetoric and slapping a series of ineffective sanctions on Russian industry and banking.

The result? Not much. Russians laughed, Europe cringed and fretted and asked for exemptions from US-mandated sanctions on doing business with Russian companies, gas pipelines between Russia and the EU continue to be laid. So much for Europe's 'energy independence' from Russia and dependence on the US. Sometimes (not often) reality gets in the way of the 'reality creators' and the cold war 'Commie' boogeyman tactic wasn't cutting it in the burgeoning brave new multi-polar world.



Some EU politicians are cringing over hysterical US Russia-hating.
But the psychos in the US government are nothing if they aren't creative, if only in a destructive sort of way. What was needed was a little 'shock and awe', a 'spectacular' to bring the world to its 'senses' and drive home the message that Russians are the epitome of all evil. Traditionally, these types have approached this kind of problem by way of the most brutal and cynical kind of emotional manipulation of the masses (politicos included): the mass murder of civilians, preferably while they're in a vulnerable position, doing something we can all easily identify with, like flying on a commercial airliner. If you can have the planes fly into buildings, all the better. But crashing one into the ground will do.

Cold War Boogeyman Redux

On August 31st 1983, Korean Airlines Flight 007 with its 269 passengers and crew, strayed off course over a Soviet missile installation in the far Pacific and was shot out of the sky by Maj. Gennady Osipovich, in his Sukhoi-15 fighter. The then US government capitalized on the event with then president Reagan's nationally televised address to the nation on Sept. 5th, which was full of strong rhetorical condemnation: Reagan called the Soviet action "monstrous," "murderous," and "born of a society which wantonly disregards individual rights and the value of human life."

At a subsequent UN security council meeting, taped comments made by the Soviet fighter pilots to controllers made it appear that the Soviet pilot had not attempted to signal KAL 007 to land, had fired no warning shots and had callously destroyed what he knew to be a passenger plane. The video became a key factor in what Secretary of State George Shultz promised in a memo to President Reagan would be a massive public relations effort "to exploit the incident." In a 1996 New York Post article Alvin Synder wrote:
The intent was to link the incident to nuclear disarmament issues. Raising concerns about Soviet integrity could do serious damage to the Kremlin's peace campaign to dissuade NATO allies in Europe from placing upgraded American nuclear weapons on their soil.


The actual Time Magazine cover from 12th September 1983
As you might have guessed, this was pretty far from the whole truth and Secretary Schultz was aware of it, as was revealed in two National Security Planning Group documents released under a freedom of information request.

Flight KAL 007 was actually 587km off course, a fact that the pilot could not possibly have been unaware of. In his book Shootdown: The Verdict on KAL 007, Oxford political scientist R.W. Johnson states that the pilot of KAL 007:
fiddled his fuel papers to take on five extra tons of fuel; inexplicably left paying cargo behind at Anchorage;
left behind notes (reproduced in Johnson's book) in which he appears to have been planning the route he actually took (587 km off his proper course);
executed at least three navigational turns which could only have been conscious;
systematically misreported his position at every waypoint and flew at widely varying speeds quite outside the scheduled speed envelope;
mysteriously used the wrong transponder code;
carried ground-mapping weather radar which would have clearly shown it was over Soviet territory;
In an interview with the Moscow journal Nedelya in April 1986, Col. Gen. of Aviation Nikolay Moskvitelev, Deputy Commander in Chief for Aviation of Air Defence Forces, said that the Boeing was clearly a reconnaissance plane.
"The aircraft's takeoff from Anchorage was held up 40 minutes in order to synchronise the time of the Boeing's approach to the shores of Kamchatka and Sakhalin with the flight of the Ferret reconnaissance satellite," Moskvitelev said. "That satellite is designed for conducting radiotechnical reconnaissance over the broad range of frequencies on which the Soviet Union's radioelectronic facilities operate.

Just prior to the violation of USSR air space by the South Korean aircraft, there were two US RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft, an Orion aircraft, an E-3A AWACS aircraft and a Badger frigate in the area. Nor does the assertion the Boeing 'became lost' or 'strayed' stand up to criticism. The entire flight of the intruding aircraft was carried out not just in a zone accessible to air traffic control facilities, but also within the effective zone of the American LORANS-C radio navigational system, which makes it possible to determine an aircraft's true coordinates with great precision at any time."
In addition to these factors that led the Soviet pilot to suspect that KAL 007 was not what it appeared to be, it was subsequently revealed that the pilot had fired warning shots and attempted to establish both radio and visual communication (which was ignored) with the captain of the Korean airliner.

The growing Soviet Naval presence in the Far East, and in particular the Typhoon submarine base at Petropavlovsk, were of great interest to the United States at the time, as were the Soviet air defense, radar, command, communications, control and intelligence systems in the area which provided the necessary and interlocking protective network over and around these key installations.

While the American military's advanced spy satellites and wide range of reconnaissance aircraft were useful for spying on Soviet installations, it was not possible to directly probe Soviet radar defenses without sending in an aircraft. So that's what the American military did, with the help of a compliant Korean Airlines pilot who was most likely working for US (military) intelligence. There is, however, no evidence that the 269 people on board KAL 007 were informed of the plan to risk, and ultimately sacrifice, their lives in the 'national interest'.

The point of this little trip down memory lane is to show that there is a precedent for the US government (the one that doesn't change every four or eight years) using the shooting down of a commercial airliner as part of a strategy to 'contain' Russia. The shooting down of Flight KAL 007 was aggressively exploited by the US government to internationally condemn the Soviets and set the clock back on Soviet attempts at a rapprochement with the West. And yet, the official truth of that story was a lie. The US government was in fact more culpable for the loss of KAL 007 than the Soviets.

Cui Bono?



A cover of Time Magazine they're probably going to publish any day now
At the time of writing, accurate details on what exactly happened to Malaysia Flight MH17 and who did it are scarce. While there has been lots of finger-pointing, even before the flames of the wreckage had been extinguished, no hard evidence has been presented, only biased speculation and hubris. Yet hard evidence isn't really necessary for us to come to a tentative conclusion, as long as we remember our actual history rather than the manufactured variety spun in Washington, DC. As usual, asking the question 'cui bono?' serves us well.

Assuming that the East Ukrainian rebels actually had a missile system capable of shooting down a plane at 33,000ft, there is no rational explanation as to why they would deliberately carry out such an act that would provide them with no tangible benefit and, on the contrary, result in massive international condemnation and, very likely, an end to their campaign for independence. Then there is the 'mistaken identity' argument, yet the same logic applies in this case. If the rebels were even remotely unsure of the plane's identity, why would they take the risk? In any case, there is NO evidence that the Ukrainian rebels possess a surface-to-air missile system capable of reaching 33,000ft, so we can dismiss the allegation as Western propaganda.

That just leaves us with the even more spurious 'Russia did it' idea. Fact: the Russian military has a modern military capability that allows for the clear identification of aircraft, including transponder signals, in which case, we must conclude that, if the Russian government gave an order to shoot down MH17, it did so because the massive amount of negative attention it has been receiving from the US of late is not nearly enough, or sufficiently severe, to satisfy Putin's masochistic tendencies. The fact of the matter is that there is NO evidence that MH17 was "shot down" at all. There could just as easily have been a bomb on the plane.

Unusual Flight Path

As far as I can tell, MH17 followed a flight path that it had never followed before. Using the Flightaware website, I checked dozens of previous flights by this aircraft from Schipol to Kuala Lumpur and all of them took a path that crossed the Sea of Azov. More to the point, every other airline that follows the same general flight path also flew over the Sea of Azov. Yesterday's flight path by MH17 was the only one I could find that crossed a couple of hundred kms further north, putting it directly between Donetsk and Luhansk, the perfect place for it to be shot down and the East Ukrainian rebels/Russia to be blamed.

As an example, the image below shows the flight path of MH17 a few weeks ago:

The below image shows the flight path of MH17 on July 17th.

That's where the similarities between the minutia of the shooting down of KAL 007 and MH17 end (at least for now). I have no idea why the pilot chose (if he chose) to fly further north or why Ukrainian air traffic control may have directed him to change his flight path. I am aware of Twitter posts by an alleged Spanish 'air traffic controller' in Ukraine named 'Carlos' who claims to have overheard a "conflict between the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of the Interior" and that he claimed that there were Ukrainian military jets alongside MH17 before it was shot down, and that eyewitnesses also claim to have seen military jets in the area at the time. Until there is more concrete proof of the truth, or possible truth, of these allegations, I prefer to stick to the available facts, and the available facts are that MH17 blew up in the sky over East Ukraine and then fell to the ground. Again, sounds like a bomb on the plane to me.

In any case, the precise details of how MH17 was destroyed are not necessary to approach a tentative conclusion about who is to blame: those with eyes to See, or those with one eye on political history and the other on the recent geopolitical climate, like the Israeli attack on Gaza (MH17 was a very useful distraction from the mass murder of Palestinians) and the immediate and hysterical accusations leveled by the US government against Russia and the East Ukrainian rebels, can probably figure it out.

In the meantime, watch and listen to statements coming from the politicos and see if you can tell which party is most heavily invested in this incident being portrayed in a very particular way. First up, Hillary Clinton:
"Europeans have to be the ones to take the lead on this. It was a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur over European territory. There should be outrage in European capitals."
Specifically, Clinton implies, there should be outrage in Europe directed at Russia. Is there? Here's the EU's official statement:
"We are shocked by reports of the circumstances surrounding the tragic loss of a Malaysian Airlines flight on its way from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur on Ukrainian territory and the loss of so many lives. The circumstances must be clarified without delay and the international investigation must shed full light on this tragedy. This is another stark illustration of why it is so urgent to bring this conflict to an end. Without prejudging the facts behind the crash, we call on all parties to stop the senseless loss of life in Eastern Ukraine, to refrain from any escalatory acts, and to agree to an immediate ceasefire."
No spleen vented at Russia there. Instead there's an echoing of Putin's call yesterday for an end to the conflict: "We reiterate the need for the immediate and unconditional cessation of hostilities by both parties in the south-east of Ukraine."

Expect any 'investigation' into this disaster to be a drawn-out affair, thwarted at every turn by the culprits. Other events in the fast-changing geopolitical landscape will soon eclipse it as the 'elite' of this world grow increasingly desperate in their attempts to maintain control of the masses and shore up their global empire that should never have been and, if providence permits (sadly unlikely), will never again afflict the face of the planet.
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Could the TWO PARACHUTISTS in this eyewitness report have been the pilot and co-pilot escaping the plane that was carrying ALREADY DEAD PASSENGERS???

FINAL – Part II: Evidence Continues to Emerge #MH17 Is a False Flag Operation
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#10 – Eyewitness Recounts a Fighter Jet and 3 Explosions When MH17 Was Shot Down
Transcript of the Eyewitness Phone CallI

"I saw, personally, that there were 3 explosions. The first, the second and the third. So, after the first explosions I went up on the roof and saw that a plane was falling – it was already almost at the ground. There was an explosion, a black cloud, and two parachutists were descending – one was descending on his parachute on the wing. The second was flying down very fast – like a stone. And that is what I saw."

#9 – 11:53-12:40 – July 18, 2014 – Information Regarding the Boeing from Igor Strelkov

- regarding Boeing 777, Flight MH17:

Igor Strelkov: According to the information received from the people who collected the corpses, a large number of the corpses are “not fresh” – these are people who died a few days ago. I cannot vouch for complete accuracy of this information – of course, we will have to wait for conclusions from forensic specialists.

Тhe story of the disaster of the Malaysian Boeing 777 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, acquires more and more new details


July 20, 2014, 15:12
Photo: Andrew Stenin / RIA "Novosti"
Author: Dmitry Litovkin

http://www.vzglyad.ru/society/2014/7/20/696411.html

Following the photographs of "newcomers" and "canceled" passports of passengers, "dead accounts" in "Facebook" and the lack of response of relatives of the victims internet was flooded with phots of received damage to the aircraft as a result of a rocket attack. According to them, the attack on the ship was not from the ground but from the air, which casts doubt on any version from the Ukrainian authorities on involvement of the militia or a terrorist attack on an airplane.

The major versions of the Boeing 777 crash that was believed is that it was shot down by a missile of the air defense missile system "Buk-M1." It was caught in the clashes among the Ukrainian army the russian militia, it was directly owned by the Ukrainian military. Russian Defense Ministry cites radio intercepts, that show conclusive evidence that during the ill-fated day Ukrainian air defenses near Donetsk was put on full alert.

So, it was recorded, on July 17, the radar 9s18 of the "Dome" Battery SAM "Buk-M1", stationed near the village of Styla, 30 km south of Donetsk. The ministry stressed that the technical features of the complex air defense "Buk-M1" shares information about the purpose of air target between the batteries of the same division. Thus, the launch of missiles could also be done with all the batteries stationed in the village Avdiyivka, 8 km north of Donetsk, or Gruzsko-Zaryanskom, 25 km east of Donetsk, summarized in the military.

To date, the Internet has got photos directly from the site of the crash. On this basis, it can be assumed that the liner was not shoot by "Buk" and there were those "unidentified" two fighters, which in his blog mentioned 'Spanish' manager from Boryspil airport in Kiev.

"The anti-aircraft missiles are special combat units - told the newspaper VIEW one of the founders of the OR R-complex" Buk. "- So that by analysing the aircraft wreckage is easy to determine exactly what it was hit by. "

For example, a complex "Buk" uses anti-aircraft guided missiles 9M38M1. Their speed is 850 meters per second, the warhead has 70 kg of high explosives. It contains metal balls, which, when proximity detonated near the target (40-50 meters) creates a dense cloud of rushing high speed fragments.

"With the hit of such aircraft with this warhead form many different holes, - says the designer. - In the fuselage, they may be small, if they hit the fuel tanks huge, if the engine is hit then nothing remains as fragments "fire" all turbine blades. "

Judging by the damaged remains of the Boeing 777, the expert concludes that the aircraft was fired upon by jet missiles. These balls are not combat units, and the beam pointed rods welded together sometimes, sometimes not. For established beam rods installed lifting charge - this is the "fragmentation rod warhead." At the peak of approach to the target warhead made ​​in undermining the charge, and a bunch of bars on almost cosmic speed rushes to the goal.

When you hit a pin on the kinetics alone can penetrate through the plane almost any plane, while destroying the internal structure of the aircraft, carrying pieces avionics. Rod speed is such that he can kill even half titanium spar. And if directly hit the target 2-3% of these rods, doomed plane: worth making aircraft flying at a speed of 900 kilometers per hour and a hole in the wing or fuselage, just punch trim as monstrous oncoming airflow damaged wing spar until the collapse of less than per minute.



Such warheads have two types of missiles - R-73 and R-27. At first its mass is 7.4, the second - 40 kg. Rockets come as standard weapons of MiG-29 and Su-27. Both machines are actively involved in the ongoing anti-terrorist operation of Ukrainian troops in the South East of the country. Designer of the SAM "Buk" is confident that appeareas on the Internet photos showing damage to skin is characteristic fragmentation rod rather than high-explosive fragmentation warhead, like SAM "Buk".

These pictures make the mysterious messages of the "Spanish" dispatcher that the Boeing 777 was accompanied by two Ukrainian fighters (militia has no such equipment) real, and his suggestion that it was after a 'visit' these machines to passenger plane disappeared from radar screens, less implausible. In this situation it becomes very real version already Rosaviation said the attack on the Malaysian Boeing could be an attempt to shoot down the plane of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who was returning from Latin America, as their routes intersect, and the colors of the fuselage two planes are very similar.

For this version is the fact that in the area of ​​an alleged flight of two aircraft Ukrainian military advance battery deployed antiaircraft missile systems "Buk". Put them on alert, as shown by the radio intercept Russian military. Raised in the air two fighters. And despite the fact that no militia attack aviation assets. But the unexpected happened, Ukrainian Air Force pilots were unable to distinguish the appearance Malaysian Boeing 777 from the Russian IL-96.

Believe it is very easy, though, because in 2001 the calculation Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile system S-200V easily identified Russian passenger Tu-154 as a target missile. Although testimony locator targets are not equal and the size tags, and airspeed. About training Air Force pilots also a good word to say. The bombing of cities and towns of South-East of Ukraine showed an extremely low level of the Air Force pilot training. This is indicated by the numbers of combat losses of helicopters and airplanes.

WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE SURPLUS MH370, PART 4: WHY?

Why would Israeli Elbit install into the surplus BOEING 777 remote control system?

Why east Ukraine rebels were allowed by Ukraine armed forces to take possession of 1 BUK launch vehicle without its control & command vehicles, and without it's core control?

Why Ukraine, prior to present disaster, has parked a number of complete BUK systems (launch vehicle + command and control vehicles) into the east Ukraine area? Considering that rebels had no planes?

Why MH17 was redirected into the war zone, some 500 km to the north?

Why it was instructed to descend to 10 km?

Why it was escorted by 2 Ukrainian jet fighters that disengaged few minutes before MH17 was hit by some missiles?

Why some sаw 2 persons parachute from the falling aircraft?

Why there are so many new passports on the ground, similar to that which were found on NY ground during 911 scam?

Why some of fallen passengers appear to sport rigor mortis before it was its time?

Why so many AIDS experts were killed?

Why nobody is concerned with IDF killings in Gaza Strip that is going on t the same time?

Why is nobody concerned with serial killings in Iraq/ Syria of all who do not sport a sophisticated wrist watch as the leader of ISIS/IS does?

Why is nobody concerned about U.S. government sponsored invasion of the U.S. from Mexico?


Тhen there's the Spanish air traffic controllers that everyone seems to have forgotten about!

Ukraine government: Searchers find nearly 200 bodies at MH17 crash site
By Phil Black, Jethro Mullen and Ralph Ellis, CNN
July 20, 2014 -- Updated 1208 GMT (2008 HKT)

Source: CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Reuters distributes video labeled as showing "black box" found
Mother of passenger on plane calls for Putin to take care of her son
Large numbers of bodies have been put on refrigerated train cars, observers say
The Ukrainian government says searchers have found 196 bodies
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Hrabove, Ukraine (CNN) -- The Reuters news agency distributed video on Sunday of what appeared to be an inflight recorder found by rescue workers in a field in eastern Ukraine. The agency labeled the video as being of one of the two flight data recorders from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, which was shot down on Thursday.
The video was taken on Friday, Reuters said.
Searchers for the Ukrainian government have found 196 bodies at the crash site, an official agency reported Sunday, with confusion still rife over the state of the investigation into the downed passenger jet.
The State Emergency Service said the search in the remote area of eastern Ukraine, roughly 40 kilometers (25 miles) from the Russian border, was being "complicated by armed separatists at the site who hinder the work of SES units."
It said that 380 official staff are taking part in the search for the remains of the 298 people who were on board MH17, covering an area stretching across 34 square kilometers (13 square miles).
They were being helped by busloads of volunteers from local coal mines who fanned out across the wheat fields where the bodies and debris from the plane fell to earth Thursday.
Inside the MH17 crash site Dutch PM demands access to MH17 scene OSCE: Bodies decomposing at crash site Ukraine P.M.: Bring 'bastards' to justice U.S.: Can't rule out Russian involvement
The situation at the crash site showed some small signs of improvement, with more control and more activity. But it was still far from a well-organized investigation scene, and the area was still under the control of pro-Russian rebels.
Many of the bodies that had littered the fields previously were gone by late morning Sunday as CNN teams observed the crash site, but it was not immediately clear where they had been taken.
Government emergency workers prevented vehicles from driving up the road to the main crash site, but people could still roam around the fields on foot.
Bodies on train cars
Large numbers of bodies have been collected on refrigerated train cars at a station near the crash site, international observers told CNN.
The observers, from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, said they have been told the bodies are from the crashed plane but they can't independently confirm that.
The 14-member OSCE team said the train will remain in place until international specialists arrive. It was not clear when that would be or where the train might take the bodies.
It's hard to get reliable information at the scene because several groups of pro-Russian rebels, some of them masked, control the checkpoints leading to the crash site.
"There doesn't seem to be one commander in charge," Michael Bociurkiw, a spokesman for the OSCE observers, told CNN on Saturday.
Rebels are suspected of shooting down the plane with a Russian-made surface-to-air missile.
Three air crash investigators from Ukraine accompanied the OSCE observers on Saturday but didn't have much time to do their work, Bociurkiw said. "They need a lot more time and a lot more freedom of access," he said.
Where are the 'black boxes'?
One key issue for investigators is the location of the plane's flight data recorders, which may hold crucial data.
The Ukrainian government said Friday -- the same day the Reuters video was shot -- that the so-called black boxes are still in Ukrainian territory but didn't clarify whether they were in Ukraine's possession.
Bociurkiw said then that no one at the crash site was able to tell his people where the recorders might be.
Photos: Reaction to MH17 Photos: Reaction to MH17
Malaysia Airlines jet crashes in Ukraine Malaysia Airlines jet crashes in Ukraine
Deadly airline disasters
Malaysian investigators flew to Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, on Saturday. But Malaysia's official news agency Bernama said they were still negotiating with pro-Russian rebels over access for their 131-member team.
Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai said Saturday in Kuala Lumpur that Malaysia was "deeply concerned that the crash site has not yet been properly secured."
"There are indications that vital evidence has not been preserved in place," he said.
Law enforcement officials from the Netherlands, the United States and Australia have arrived or are being sent to Ukraine to work with the investigation, which is being led by the Ukrainian government in Kiev.
Malaysia Airlines said Sunday that it will retire the flight number MH17 for the route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, replacing it with the code MH19.
Families' agonizing wait
For the families of the victims, the confusion at the scene of the crash deepens the suffering.
Silene Fredriks said her son and his girlfriend had taken Flight MH17 for a planned vacation in Bali. At Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport on Sunday, she laid flowers and signed the condolence book.
She says she wants Russian President Vladimir Putin to ensure that the two young people's remains make it back to the Netherlands.
"Mr. Putin must take care of my son and my daughter to bring them home," she said. "I can do nothing but wait for their bodies."
The lack of clear information about what's happened to the victims is "horrible," she said: "It's one bad movie."
Pressure on Putin
Governments from around the world have expressed outrage at the disorderly situation at the crash site and called on Putin to use his influence on the pro-Russian rebels.
"There are multiple reports of bodies being removed, parts of the plane and other debris being hauled away, and potential evidence tampered with," the U.S. State Department said in a statement. "This is unacceptable and an affront to all those who lost loved ones and to the dignity the victims deserve."
British Prime Minister David Cameron wrote a Sunday Times opinion article urging Putin to find a way to make the crash site more accessible and calm the strife between Ukraine and the rebels.
"If President Putin does not change his approach to Ukraine, then Europe and the West must fundamentally change our approach to Russia," Cameron wrote. Ten of the passengers on MH17, which was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, were British.
Nationalities aboard MH17
193 Dutch (including 1 dual Netherlands/U.S. citizen)
44 Malaysian (including 15 crew, 2 infants)
27 Australian
12 Indonesian (including 1 infant)
10 British (including 1 dual UK/South African citizen)
4 German
4 Belgian
3 Filipino
1 Canadian
1 New Zealander

Full passenger manifest (PDF)
Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, whose country had 27 citizens on the plane, added to the pressure on Putin.
Describing the downing of the passenger jet as "a horrific crime," Abbott said he had summoned Russian Trade Minister Denis Manturov, who is visiting Australia, and "made crystal clear my concerns and dissatisfaction with the way this has been handled."
"Russian-controlled territory, Russian-backed rebels, quite likely a Russian-supplied weapon," Abbott said in a television interview Sunday. "Russia can't wash its hands of this."
'Intensive' conversation
German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte have spoken out, as well.
"I want to see results in the form of unhindered access and a speedy recovery of the victims' remains," Rutte said Saturday. Nearly two-thirds of the people on the jetliner were Dutch.
Rutte told reporters he had "an extremely intensive telephone conversation" with Putin on Saturday in which he told the Russian leader that "the window of opportunity to show the world that he intends to help is closing rapidly."
Meanwhile, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry spoke with his Russian counterpart, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, to urge Moscow to get the rebels to stop fighting and talk peace, and also provide full access to the crash site.
The United States has said evidence suggests a Russian-made surface-to-air missile fired from the rebel territory took down the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 with citizens from more than 10 nations aboard.
U.S. President Barack Obama said Friday that Russia likely bears some of the responsibility, noting rebel fighters couldn't have operated the missile "without sophisticated equipment and sophisticated training, and that is coming from Russia."
U.S. officials believe the missile systems may have been moved back across the border into Russia, CNN foreign affairs reporter Elise Labott said Saturday.
Russia has denied any involvement, and Putin said Ukraine's military campaign against the rebels was to blame. He also has called for a "thorough and objective investigation" of the crash.
Finger-pointing
Since the crash, the Ukrainian government and pro-Russian rebels have traded bitter accusations over who was responsible and what has been done since.
Ukrainian officials have said that a Russian-made Buk M1 missile system, brought into eastern Ukraine from Russia, had shot down the Malaysian airliner.
The Ukrainian government has accused the rebels of removing debris and 38 bodies from the scene as part of an attempt to cover up what happened.
The local head of the rebels, Alexander Borodai, has rejected accusations that his forces shot down the plane, telling reporters that the rebels lacked the firepower to hit an aircraft that high.
Borodai, who calls himself the prime minister of the self-styled Donetsk People's Republic, also denied that his forces removed any bodies.
Many of the victims were on vacation
Malaysian plane shot down in Ukraine: What happened?
Crash site in Ukraine goes neglected as bodies decompose
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#49

Date: Sunday, 20-Jul-2014 09:22:18

In Response To: DEBRIFING: MH17 WAS HIT BY AA MISSILE R-73 OR R-27 THAT WAS FIRED FROM MIG-29 OR SU-27, BOTH OPERATIONAL IN UKRAINE AIR (IZAKOVIC)
The Vympel R-73 (NATO reporting name AA-11 Archer) is a short-range air-to-air missile developed by Vympel NPO that entered service in 1982. At the time of its introduction, it was the most advanced short range missile in the world

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vympel_R-73

The Vympel R-27 missile (with the NATO reporting name AA-10 Alamo) is a medium-to-long-range air-to-air missile developed by the Soviet Union. It remains in service with the Russian Air Force and air forces of the Commonwealth of Independent States.

mage source: http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2014/07/...put-peril/

...I heard that they changed the route because of some showers. I believe that this were a storm clouds. In such situation pilot usually asks flight control whether he can redirect to the left or right, and then comes the approval of control ', says the president of the Association of European pilots Nico Voorbach. He was employee pilot in the Dutch KLM and recently flew for the company just on the line Amsterdam-Kuala Lumpur...

Source:

http://www.jutarnji.hr/misterij-promjene...o/1207639/

ore on the fatal rerouting of MH 17

Posted By: AndiV
Date: Saturday, 19-Jul-2014 23:58:05
Why was Flight 17's flight path changed at the last minute and who's responsible for sending this passenger jet over a hotly contested civil war? If you can stomach watching Zionist MSM outlets like CNN and that dreadful FOX, they've already assigned blame to Russia and Putin, clearing the way for an expanded war in the Ukraine while Israel butchers its way thru Gaza.

The Zionist MSM is just now admitting that Flight 17 was rerouted, blaming weather in the area. Right.

Someone deliberately rerouted this passenger jet, setting it up for the tragedy that is now unfolding.

A source in Russia's federal air traffic agency Rosaviatsia has said that three days ago Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council closed the airspace over eastern Ukraine because of the so-called “anti-terrorist operation” that Kiev conducts in the region.

“Dispatching support of all passenger flights is being conducted from Kiev. How this plane could be there - is not clear,” a representative of Donetsk People’s Republic said.

The air space over that part of the Ukraine was declared unsafe and was being avoided by passenger jets, so who sent Flight 17 into the path of danger?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jDB63ncfgU
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-i...-theories/

Hillary Tells EU to Use MH17 Tragedy to Find Alternatives to Gazprom (dollar dumping gas giant)

Posted By: esu333
Date: Sunday, 20-Jul-2014 10:24:23
Ah, now the agenda is starting to make a bit more sense. Hillary Clinton doesn't want a good crisis to go to waste. She told Charlie Rose that her recommendation to the European Union is to take advantage of the shot-down MH17 tragedy to "Immediately accelerate efforts to find alternatives to Gazprom."



Moscow-based Gazprom is the largest producer of natural gas in the world and one of the globe's largest companies. A few weeks back on June 26th they announced that they would settle contracts with China using yuan or rubles instead of dollars. This move came about one month after Russia and China announced a record $400B gas deal. That's a whole lot of dollars that won't be needed in the international economy.

Couple that with the launch of the BRICS development bank and motive for aggressive posturing towards Russia becomes a bit clearer.

At the same time, many are now saying that the true reason for Israel's brutal air-bombing and invasion of Gaza is to secure Palestinian gas reserves valued at $4B.

In this context, it certainly looks like Western powers are making morally questionable moves to secure resources that are currently out of their control, a practice commonly known as expanding corporate empire by force.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkTRJgDkNFg
овај очигледно има неких проблем сам са собом

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-over.html

U.S. Anti-Russia Propaganda Machine Rushing to Judgment – Facts Needed on Malaysian Plane Shoot-Down

By Ray McGovern
Global Research, July 19, 2014
Consortiumnews 18 July 2014
Region: Russia and FSU
Theme: Media Disinformation
In-depth Report: UKRAINE REPORT

A Malaysia Airways’ Boeing 777 like the one that crashed in eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014. (Photo credit: Aero Icarus from Zürich, Switzerland)

As usual, the mainstream U.S. media is rushing to judgment over the crash of a Malaysian airliner in war-torn eastern Ukraine, but the history of U.S. government’s deceptions might be reason to pause and let a careful investigation uncover the facts.

It will likely take some time to determine who downed the Malaysia Airlines Boeing-777 over eastern Ukraine on Thursday, killing all 298 people onboard. Initial speculation is that someone with a missile battery mistook the plane as a military aircraft, but the precise motive may be even harder to discern.

Given the fog of war and the eagerness among the various participants to wage “information warfare,” there is also the possibility that evidence – especially electronic evidence – might be tampered with to achieve some propaganda victory.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko immediately labeled the tragedy “a terrorist act” although there was no evidence that anyone intentionally shot down the civilian airliner. But Poroshenko and others in the Kiev government have previously designated the ethnic Russians, who are resisting the Feb. 22 overthrow of elected President Viktor Yanukovych, as “terrorists” so Poroshenko’s bellicose language was not a surprise.

For their part, the separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine denied responsibility for the crash – saying they lacked anti-aircraft missiles that could reach the 33,000-foot altitude of the Malaysian airliner – but there are reasons to suspect the rebels, including their previously successful efforts to shoot down Ukrainian military aircraft operating in the war zone.

On Thursday, Russian President Vladimir Putin deflected questions about who may have fired the missile as he called for an international investigation. But he made a telling point when he noted that the “tragedy would not have happened if military actions had not been renewed in southeast Ukraine.”

Those likely to agree with that statement include German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande who, during a lengthy four-way conference call with Poroshenko on June 30, tried desperately to get him to prolong the ceasefire. Only the U.S. voiced support for Poroshenko’s decision to spurn that initiative and order Ukrainian forces into a major offensive in the east.

It was in the context of Ukrainian forces using their airpower to strike rebel positions that led to the rebels’ efforts to neutralize that advantage by deploying anti-aircraft missiles that have achieved some success in downing Ukrainian military planes. The Ukrainian military is also known to possess anti-aircraft batteries scattered throughout the country.

Raw Meat for Russia Bashing

But the chance to further demonize Putin and Russia will be hard for Official Washington and its corporate-owned press to resist. The New York Times was quick out of the starting blocks on Friday with a lead editorial blaming the entire Ukraine conflict, including the Malaysian Airline tragedy, on Putin:

“There is one man who can stop it – President Vladimir Putin of Russia, by telling the Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine to end their insurgency and by stopping the flow of money and heavy weapons to those groups.”

Among Putin’s alleged offenses, according to the Times, has been his “failing to support a cease-fire and avoiding serious, internationally mediated negotiations” – though Putin has actually been one of principal advocates for both a cease-fire and a negotiated solution. It has been the U.S.-backed Poroshenko who canceled the previous cease-fire and has refused to negotiate with the ethnic Russian rebels until they essentially surrender.

But the death of all 298 people onboard the Malaysian Airline flight, going from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, will surely provide plenty of fuel for the already roaring anti-Russian propaganda machine. Still, the U.S. press might pause to recall how it’s been manipulated by the U.S. government in the past, including three decades ago by the Reagan administration twisting the facts of the KAL-007 tragedy.

In that case, a Soviet fighter jet shot down a Korean Air Line plane on Sept. 1, 1983, after it strayed hundreds of miles off course and penetrated some of the Soviet Union’s most sensitive airspace over military facilities in Kamchatka and Sakhalin Island.

Over Sakhalin, KAL-007 was finally intercepted by a Soviet Sukhoi-15 fighter. The Soviet pilot tried to signal the plane to land, but the KAL pilots did not respond to the repeated warnings. Amid confusion about the plane’s identity — a U.S. spy plane had been in the vicinity hours earlier — Soviet ground control ordered the pilot to fire. He did, blasting the plane out of the sky and killing all 269 people on board.

The Soviets soon realized they had made a horrendous mistake. U.S. intelligence also knew from sensitive intercepts that the tragedy had resulted from a blunder, not from a willful act of murder (much as on July 3, 1988, the USS Vincennes fired a missile that brought down an Iranian civilian airliner in the Persian Gulf, killing 290 people, an act which President Ronald Reagan explained as an “understandable accident”).

But a Soviet admission of a tragic blunder regarding KAL-007 wasn’t good enough for the Reagan administration, which saw the incident as a propaganda windfall. At the time, the felt imperative in Washington was to blacken the Soviet Union in the cause of Cold War propaganda and to escalate tensions with Moscow.

Falsifying the Case

To make the very blackest case against Moscow, the Reagan administration suppressed the exculpatory evidence from the U.S. electronic intercepts. The U.S. mantra became “the deliberate downing of a civilian passenger plane.” Newsweek ran a cover emblazoned with the headline “Murder in the Sky.”

“The Reagan administration’s spin machine began cranking up,” wrote Alvin A. Snyder, then-director of the U.S. Information Agency’s television and film division, in his 1995 book, Warriors of Disinformation.

USIA Director Charles Z. Wick “ordered his top agency aides to form a special task force to devise ways of playing the story overseas. The objective, quite simply, was to heap as much abuse on the Soviet Union as possible,” Snyder recalled.

Snyder noted that “the American media swallowed the U.S. government line without reservation. Said the venerable Ted Koppel on the ABC News ‘Nightline’ program: ‘This has been one of those occasions when there is very little difference between what is churned out by the U.S. government propaganda organs and by the commercial broadcasting networks.’”

On Sept. 6, 1983, the Reagan administration went so far as to present a doctored transcript of the intercepts to the United Nations Security Council (a prelude to a similar false presentation two decades later by Secretary of State Colin Powell on Iraq’s alleged weapons of mass destruction).

“The tape was supposed to run 50 minutes,” Snyder said about recorded Soviet intercepts. “But the tape segment we [at USIA] had ran only eight minutes and 32 seconds. … ‘Do I detect the fine hand of [Richard Nixon's secretary] Rosemary Woods here?’ I asked sarcastically.’”

But Snyder had a job to do: producing the video that his superiors wanted. “The perception we wanted to convey was that the Soviet Union had cold-bloodedly carried out a barbaric act,” Snyder wrote.

Only a decade later, when Snyder saw the complete transcripts — including the portions that the Reagan administration had hidden — would he fully realize how many of the central elements of the U.S. presentation were false.

The Soviet fighter pilot apparently did believe he was pursuing a U.S. spy plane, according to the intercepts, and he was having trouble in the dark identifying the plane. At the instructions of Soviet ground controllers, the pilot had circled the KAL airliner and tilted his wings to force the aircraft down. The pilot said he fired warning shots, too. “This comment was also not on the tape we were provided,” Snyder wrote.

It was clear to Snyder that in the pursuit of its Cold War aims, the Reagan administration had presented false accusations to the United Nations, as well as to the people of the United States and the world. To these Republicans, the ends of smearing the Soviets had justified the means of falsifying the historical record.

In his book, Snyder acknowledged his role in the deception and drew an ironic lesson from the incident. The senior USIA official wrote, “The moral of the story is that all governments, including our own, lie when it suits their purposes. The key is to lie first.” [For more details on the KAL-007 deception and the history of U.S. trickery, see Consortiumnews.com’s “A Dodgy Dossier on Syrian War.”]

Reliability of U.S. Intelligence

It was not always this way. There was a time when the U.S. government wouldn’t risk its credibility for a cheap propaganda stunt, knowing that there are moments when it is crucial for the world to believe what U.S. officials say.

Some of us will remember when, in 1962, U.S. Ambassador to the UN Adlai Stevenson showed the Security Council U-2 photographs of fledgling Soviet offensive missile bases in Cuba. It was the perfect squelch to the Soviets and their allies trying to sow doubt about the truth behind President John F. Kennedy’s allegations.

Sadly, the credibility of U.S. officials and American intelligence is now at rock bottom. One need only think back on the evidence adduced to “prove” the existence of WMD in Iraq. “The intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy” is what the head of British intelligence told Prime Minister Tony Blair on July 23, 2002, after conferring with CIA Director George Tenet at CIA headquarters on July 20.

I also have grown more and more suspicious of the official U.S. government account about the crash of TWA-800 on July 17, 1996. Shortly after departing Kennedy Airport in New York, the plane exploded off Long Island with 230 people killed. More than 100 eyewitnesses reported seeing an object they described variously as a “missile,” “flare” or “rocket” rise up into the sky and merge with TWA Flight 800.

The immediate suspicion was that the disaster was an act of terrorism, although some speculation focused on the presence of U.S. Navy missile-carrying warships in the area. However, after raising much of the plane’s wreckage from the sea bottom, the National Transportation Safety Board and Justice Department/FBI dismissed the eyewitness accounts of a missile and concluded instead that the explosion was caused by an electrical malfunction.

To help in selling this version, the CIA “technical experts” working under CIA Director George Tenet – yes, the same fellow who described the Iraq WMD evidence as a “slam dunk” – were enlisted to prepare a video artfully designed to discredit the missile claims. But the TWA800 Project Investigative Team – a determined group of engineers, scientists, eyewitnesses and journalists – have continued to challenge the official findings, including the CIA video. [To see the team’s rebuttal, click here.]

Quite aside from the likelihood that CIA exceeded its authority with its involvement in this domestic issue, it pains me as a former CIA analyst that my former colleagues would take part in this kind of deception, producing a video that was unprofessional at best and fraudulent at worst.

So, there is, sadly, additional reason to kick the tires of any fancy truck carrying “intelligence” offered by the U.S. with respect to the Malaysian Airline shoot-down on Thursday.

Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, a publishing ministry of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in inner-city Washington. He served as a CIA analyst for 27 years and is now on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).

Interesting we see Mr Mcgovern who's a product of the cold war start talking more about things Russian and Central/Eastern European......

Coincidence?

Media Blackout: Major Military Operation in East Ukraine. 496 Civilians, 1600 Soldiers Reported Killed

he killing of innocent civilians in Eastern Ukraine resulting from the conduct of major bombing and shelling operations is not newsworthy. According to official sources, Four hundred and seventy-eight civilians, including seven children were killed and 1392 were wounded in Eastern Ukraine since the outset of the Kiev government’s military crackdown. (See RT, July 1o, 2014)

The casualty figures were released on the 10th of July 2014 by Ukraine’s Ministry of Health.

“The amount on civilian casualties is, unfortunately, greater than the military ones,” Vasily Lazoryshynets, deputy health minister, …

“In the area of the operation in eastern Ukraine, 478 civilians have died, including 30 women and seven children,”he said.

According to Lazoryshynets , a further 1,392 people were injured in the fighting, with 104 women and 14 children among them.

“Two hundred and seventy-nine currently remain in hospital,” he added. (Ibid)

There has been virtually no Western media coverage concerning this human tragedy. The deaths of innocent children resulting from Kiev’s “counter-terrorism operation” have been casually categorized as “collateral damage”.

In early June, according to figures of Ukraine’s National Security Council “200 soldiers and law enforcement officers had been killed and over 600 injured during the so-called “anti-terrorist operation.” (Ibid). The Ministry of Defense reported the same figure of 200 deaths pertaining to soldiers on July 11.

On June 11, following the release of the figures on casualties by the Ministry of Health, Ukraine’s General Prosecutor Vitali Yarema confirmed that the government was to establish a data bank of persons killed and insured

“Every death, every physical injury, every body of an unidentified individual found will be entered into the unified register of pre-trial investigations, and each case will be investigated as much as possible,” (quoted by AP, July 11, 2014)

The above figures on civilian casualties are consistent with a ‘leaked” Ministry of Internal Affairs report: 496 civilians killed and 762 wounded (updated with data of casualties collected in the period extending from 9-15 July). (see below)

According to this “leaked” MIA document, the death toll of soldiers in the Ukraine Armed Forces would have increased from 200 in early July (reported on July 10th by the Ministry of Health) to 1600 in mid-July (MIA, leaked report, see table below, dated July 15).

The table below which includes the figures of civilian and military casualties included those wounded reported by the Ministry of Internal Affairs (sent to Global Research by a source in Ukraine) are as follows:

Killed in Action: 1600
Wounded in Action: 4723
The Ministry of Internal Affairs (MIA) and its Anti-Terrorism Organization (ATO) oversees the military operation in Lugansk and Donetsk in liaison with the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

The information was officially released on July 15, 2014 bearing the signature of the Arsen Avakov (Minister of Internal Affairs) and V. Gritsak (Head of ATO [Anti-Terrorism Organization]

The authenticity, reliability and source of this leaked report remains to be fully assessed. These figures have not been made public and they are not the object of media commentary. They are, however, compatible with figures published by the Central News Agency Novorossia, Novorus.info (Russian) based on figures of the rebel Donbass forces which point to major military losses by the Kiev regime.

The MIA figures pertain to soldiers “Killed in Action”. They do not address the number of soldiers taken prisoner and/or the number of soldiers who have deserted the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

In contrast, the Novorossia figures do not provide a breakdown of “killed, wounded, prisoners”. According to Central News Agency Novorossia, Novorus.info (Russian):

Total losses in Donbass inflicted to Kiev “punitive operatives” [in Russian каратели] 2 May – 11 July 2014 is 4994 soldiers [ in Russian persons, человек] [killed, wounded, prisoners]

What the MIA leaked report as well as the Novorossia figures convey is the conduct of a large scale military operation by Ukrainian Forces resulting in significant casualties incurred by Kiev government forces. None of this has been reported by the corporate media.

The leaked MIA report suggests heavy losses of military equipment by Kiev forces including a large number of tanks and armored vehicles which have either been captured or destroyed.

The rebels (according to MIA figures) have downed seven aircraft. This information was “leaked” 2 days before the MH17 crash. The reliability of these figures emanating from government sources remained to be determined.

The data from rebel sources cited Novorus.info also indicate sizable losses of military hardware including tanks and armored cars.

TOTAL UKRAINIAN LOSSES [MIA leaked document]

Killed in Action: 1600
Wounded in Action: 4723
Tanks: 35
Armoured Battle Vehicles: 96
Artillery: 38
Aircraft: 7
Helicopters: 2
Automobiles: 104
While the reliability of these figures emanating from the government remains to be determined, they nonetheless point to the failure of the Kiev led anti-terrorism operation confirming earlier reports to the effect that government forces have been repealed in Donetsk and Lugansk.

July 18, 2014 – Official Ukrainian Military Accounting of Losses for July 9-15, 2014
((1) Ukrainian Version; (2) Translation)

BREAKING!

TOTAL UKRAINIAN LOSSES

Killed in Action: 1600
Wounded in Action: 4723
Tanks: 35
Armoured Battle Vehicles: 96
Artillery: 38
Aircraft: 7
Helicopters: 2
Automobiles: 104
TOTAL MILITIA LOSSES

Killed in Action: 48
Wounded in Action: 64
Tanks: 2
Armoured Battle Vehicles: 0
Artillery: 5
Automobiles: 8
TOTAL CIVILIAN LOSSES

Killed: 496
Wounded: 762
SIGNED & SUBMITTED BY: Arsen Avakov (Minister of Internal Affairs) and V. Gritsak (Head of ATO)

Table and translation provided by:

http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/militar...es-online/
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#50

'The netherlands and USA prepare invasion'

http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/n...n-invasie-voor

Mark Rutte for the outside world, Vladimir Putin is still a diplomatic toolkit have
done, behind the scenes, together with the United States a plan B forged. That
report sources of Spitsnieuws.nl in Poland, close to the American embassy.

At about twenty kilometers from the Polish capital Warsaw prepare Dutch, but
particularly American, soldiers, according to our sources for an invasion into the
area where the debris of flight MH17 of Malaysia Airlines'. It is also possible to Dutch
F16's are used, these run normally patrouillevluchten above the Baltic states. Both
the Dutch and the Us authorities have so far not been expressed about a plan B.

Plan B
Both prime minister Mark Rutte as minister of Foreign Affairs , Frans Timmermans
gave this afternoon separately from each other on the situation around the downed
airplane in the east of Ukraine, through diplomatic way to solve the problem.
Meanwhile, it would, therefore, also to have a plan B worked.

A military action does not sound very unbelievable after the fierce words which
president Barack Obama is last night uttered. It may be assumed that as soon as
Washington is sufficient reason, the crash site by the military will be taken, shielded
and the marauding separatists to be nabbed. Then can be normal, independent
investigation be carried out, and the remains of the passengers of the rampvlucht to
be properly secured.

UPDATE July 20, 0:24 The USA, Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova, a major non-NATO
ally status awarded. Exchange of military assistance, including missile systems and
small artillery, and intelligence must be easier.

U.S. Grants Ukraine Non-NATO Ally Status

http://uacrisis.org/u-s-grants-ukrai...o-ally-status/

Kyiv, July 19, 2014. The United States Congress passed a Russian
Aggression Prevention Act (RAPA) or 2014, which granted Ukraine,
together with Moldova, and Georgia major non-NATO ally status. The
legislation authorizes the transfer of military assistance to Ukraine,
including the anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons and small arms, based
on the needs and the assessment of capabilities or Ukrainian Armed
Forces, reads the document. It also encourages the U.S. government to
share intelligence with Ukraine.

The Act was submitted by the expert commission and the agreement by
the U.S. Congress in two readings on July 17. The legislation stipulates
the increase of the U.S. Armed Forces interactions and NATO security
assistance to Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Moldova, and
post-Yugoslavia republic: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo,
Macedonia and Serbia.

In addition, RAPA encouraged the U.S. Agency for International
Development (USAID), the Trade and Development Agency and the
Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC), the World Bank Group,
and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) to
facilitate and promote assistance to Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova in
terms of exploiting natural gas and oil reserves as well as fostering the
development of alternative energy sources.

Notably, the document restricts the actions of all federal institutions,
which are aimed at recognizing or supporting the annexation or Crimea
by the Russian Federation. RAPA also endorses the development of
democratic institutions, independent media, governmental and
non-governmental organizations, as well as educational and cultural
exchange on the territory of post-Soviet republic.

A number of times the government of the United States expressed its
concerns about the growing military tension between Ukraine and
Russia; however no sign of crisis mitigation was observed in the past
months.

Interestingly, Russian military power was rated second in the "35 most
powerful militaries in the world," with the greatest number of war tanks
(15,000 units) as well as the number of nuclear missiles (8,484 units).
Russian Federation has greatly amplified its military power and since
2003 doubled expenditures on the maintenance of its army. The military
of the United States headed the list, while Ukraine's army was placed
21st, as reported to the Business Insider on July 10, 2014.

The government of the United States has also imposed tougher sanctions
against Russian major banks and energy companies. Shortly after the
sanctions were enforced, Russian Traded Index RTX dropped by 4
percent, MICEX decreases by 2.6 percent, while Russia's biggest oil
company, Rosneft lost nearly 5 percent in its value.

Previously, President Obama addressed President Putin with request to
de-escalate the tension in the eastern regions of Ukraine by withdrawing
troops from the border and ceasing the support of the terrorists in the
Donbas region. “We have repeatedly made clear that Russia must halt
the flow of fighters and weapons across the border,” President Obama
said. “We have to see concrete actions and not just words.”

In response to the US Government, Vladimir Putin emphasized that
sanctions were pressuring bilateral relations and're hurting both Russian
and US businesses.

And yet, on June 17 the civilian aircraft Boeing-777 or Malaysia Airlines,
which was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was hit and
crashed near Ukraine-Russian border, about three kilometers north-west
of the village or Hrabove in Donetsk region. There were 298 people
including 15 crew members and 80 children on board. Immediately, the
Ukrainian government has set up an Emergency State Commission to
investigate the catastrophe together with ICAO and international
experts, inviting Dutch and Malaysian representatives to join the
investigation. Many experts, however, remain convinced that the aircraft
was hit by a missile launched from the anti-aircraft weapons system
“BUK” which at the time was located on the territory controlled by the
pro-Russian terrorists and later moved to the territory of the Russian
Federation. Russia, however, continues to deny allegations of its
involvement in this terrorist act, despite the collected evidence that
proves otherwise.

South Russia’s border checkpoint evacuated due to shelling in Ukraine again

ITAR-TASS
July 20, 11:38

Gukovo in Russia’s southern Rostov region were evacuated over the gunfire on adjacent Ukrainian territory on Sunday, chief press officer of the Southern customs service department Rayan Farukshin told Itar-Tass.

“Customs officers were evacuated at 6.30am Moscow time (3.30am BST) on Sunday after several shells had blasted near the state border. An hour after the fire stopped on Ukrainian territory Russian customs officers came back to their workplaces,” Farukshin said, adding that no people were wounded and no infrastructure of the border-crossing point was damaged.



Customs officers from multi-way automobile border-crossing point Kuibyshevo were evacuated over automatic gunfire on Ukrainian territory on Saturday, Farukshin said. Officers of neighbouring border checkpoints also had to be evacuated regularly over a danger which is posed by combat actions on the other side of the border.

Over the halt in operation of the twin border checkpoints in Ukraine people and vehicles are not permitted to cross the border at multi-way automobile border-crossing points Novoshakhtinsk, Gukovo and Kuibyshevo. Personnel of Russian border checkpoints are on duty and are prepared to pass people and vehicles across the Russian state border.

http://liveuamap.com/e/2014/20-of-july-s...to-russian

http://liveuamap.com/e/2014/20-of-july-b...gs-burning-

There is a Latin phrase that means "who benefits?" The bank robber John Dillinger said that he robbed banks since "that was where the money was."

If you look at the plane shootdown with cold, clear logic, and remove the emotional factor you are left with only one question. The question is who benefits most from the fact that plane was shot down. It is certainly not Russia or Putin. Putin is being hammered in the western press as a demon and monster. It is certainly not the Russian militia who are also being painted with a broad brush by the western media. Aside from the technical issue of whether the militia had the military ability to take down a cruising plane at 33,000 feet, which they DID NOT HAVE, you have the issue of exactly who benefited most from the chaos unleashed by the plane shootdown.

The answer to that is simple. It is the Kiev government under Porky the warmonger. Porky not only had the military ability to take down a plane at 33,000 feet, HE HAD THE POLITICAL REASON TO DO SO. It is a simple fact that in the western media and government induced hysteria it is Kiev that gains. It is Kiev that struts around talking about war crimes, Russian and Russian militia demons and monsters. It is Kiev that whines they now need DIRECT western, EU and NATO MILITARY ASSISTANCE. Further, the hysteria gives Kiev the ability to make such demands.

Kiev is the only party that gains from the plane shootdown. They are one of the two that the ability to shoot down that plane. Kiev has openly murdered hundreds of ethnic Russians by unrestricted artillery fire, unrestricted bombing runs, and even burnt 40 people to death in Odessa.

Kiev had the ability to shoot down that plane. Kiev had the motive to do so. Kiev had the best reason to shoot down that plane.

We are now going to the full war phase in the Ukraine. Kiev has decided in the face of a complete military defeat and rout in the eastern Ukraine to up the ante beyond a sane level. Kiev has apparently decided that if they go down, they are going to take everybody down with them. Kiev's NAZI clones are going to force Russia into a full blown war, and then they are going to demand NATO military assistance. Yep, we are looking at a World War One, Sarejevo scenario with Russia and Ukraine. Warmongering morons like McCain are only adding fuel to the fire that will burn us all to ashes.

Kiev shot that plane down in an example of the kind of cynical, amoral, political opportunism common to European ethnic hatred for centuries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XOnCckiYlk
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WHISTLEBLOWER: U.S. SATELLITE IMAGES SHOW UKRAINIAN TROOPS SHOOTING DOWN MH17
Source tells award winning reporter Washington lying about responsibility for tragedy

by PAUL JOSEPH WATSON | JULY 21, 2014
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Award winning former Associated Press reporter Robert Parry has been told by an intelligence source that the United States is in possession of satellite imagery which shows that Ukrainian troops were responsible for the shoot down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17.

In the absence of any proper investigation, media rhetoric over the last few days has firmly pointed the finger of blame for the downing of the aircraft on Russian-backed Ukrainian rebels, but Parry’s source tells a different story.

What I’ve been told by one source, who has provided accurate information on similar matters in the past, is that U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms.

The source said CIA analysts were still not ruling out the possibility that the troops were actually eastern Ukrainian rebels in similar uniforms but the initial assessment was that the troops were Ukrainian soldiers. There also was the suggestion that the soldiers involved were undisciplined and possibly drunk, since the imagery showed what looked like beer bottles scattered around the site, the source said.
Although the establishment press has attempted to deride any questioning of the official narrative that Ukrainian rebels were responsible for the incident by invoking the tired “conspiracy theory” pejorative, Parry can hardly be dismissed as a crank given his key role in covering the Iran-Contra scandal for the Associated Press and Newsweek. Indeed, Parry’s investigative work on intelligence matters, for which he was awarded the George Polk Award, suggests that the information provided by his source is worthy of serious attention.

U.S. and Ukrainian authorities continue to insist that Moscow-backed separatists were responsible for the tragedy, asserting that a BUK missile system was used to bring down the airliner. However, this was contradicted by Ukraine’s Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema, who stated, “The military told the president after the passenger plane had been shot down that the terrorists did not possess our Buk missile systems.”

In a related development, audio experts who conducted a study into the authenticity of a recording released by Ukrainian authorities which implicated Russian-backed rebels as being responsible for the missile attack on MH17 concluded that the tape was fabricated.

“The tape’s second fragment consists of three pieces but was presented as a single audio recording. However, a spectral and time analysis has showed that the dialog was cut into pieces and then assembled. Short pauses in the tape are very indicative: the audio file has preserved time marks which show that the dialog was assembled from various episodes, the expert said,” reports ITAR-TASS.

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Polish 1-st Mazur Artillery Brigade reported in Odessa!

On July 16, 2014 in the port of Odessa 12 (twelve) Polish howitzers (152mm SpGH DANA) with support and CIV were unloaded and readied by the Polish crews. Military equipment and soldier’s uniforms do have Polish flags and insignia pointing to the 1-st Mazur Artillery Brigade from Poland. Howitzers, buses, and support vehicles were taken to the rail terminal for loading.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4c1_1405672523

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SpGH DANA 8x8 Self-Propelled Heavy Gun

Poland still operates 110 units.


http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/det...mor_id=435

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21...planes-mh1

WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE SURPLUS MH370, PART 5: JULY 19, 2014 CASSIOPAEA AND FOSUS SESSIONS: ISRAELI

Session 19 July 2014
« on: Yesterday at 10:42:32 PM »
Session Date: July 19th 2014

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/to...463.0.html

Laura, Ark, and Andromeda at the board
Pierre, Perceval, PoB, Chu, Kniall, Bubbles, Oxajil, Terran, Alana, Timotheos, Parallel, Athena, Data

A: Hello

Q: (L) That's what they said. They pointed at "Hello". And who do we have with us this evening?

A: Jeriponea of Cassiopaea

Q: (L) Okay, let me ask a few preliminary questions before we launch onto the topics of the evening. First question: What was going on last session when we were communicating with Julius Caesar, allegedly, when Ark was having a feeling of the hair moving on the side of his and then his glasses went all wonky? What was going on there?

A: Ark is closest in frequency to Caesar; thus the EM bursts upon connection.

Q: (L) Okay, that kind of leads to my other question. I think you once told us something along the line that it's not so easy... maybe it wasn't that it's not so easy, but that you couldn't really connect with people in 5D unless there was some kind of a strong tie or a binding element that connected you to them - in other words, to be able to get them on the phone, so to speak. So, what was it that made it possible for us to allegedly contact Julius Caesar?

A: Frequency of entire group was conducive to contact.

Q: (L) And why was that?

A: Strong psychic connection and long focus period in advance of attempt. Plus, as previously indicated, Caesar volunteered to be accessible. It is a sacrifice at that level. By the way, it WAS Caesar.

Q: (Bubbles) He was insulted by your "allegedly"!

(L) Is it advisable to continue to try to communicate directly with Caesar?

A: Occasionally is okay.

Q: (L) Why only occasionally?

A: Note what we just said.

Q: (Perceval) It's a sacrifice at that level.

(L) Oh, so does that mean that spirits or souls at that level are really getting into contemplation?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And what was it that induced Caesar to volunteer for that service?

A: The many cries of grief and need for succor at the time of his death. It could be said that this immense need and sense of loss was the foundation of the beginnings of what became Christianity.

Q: (L) "The foundation of the beginnings of what became Christianity..." So was the calling for their lost leader that actually...

(Perceval) In one sense, you can see there might have been a sense of responsibility to this hope, and the idea for a different type of world and a different type of living that he created in people. And then when he died, I mean, people were just cut off, left adrift, got lost... It was premature. It didn't last. It only lasted part of his life.

(L) Is that kind of close, that he created this great hope in the hearts of so many people that when he was gone, they just couldn't accept it, believe it, or deal with it? Is that part of it?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) There was nobody to replace him.

(L) Yeah.

(Bubbles) Kind of like JFK.

(L) Worse. I was reading some things about different opinions about Caesar from the period when he lived, and immediately after - I think a couple of generations. It's pretty clear that in spite of the defamation and propaganda by the oligarchy that killed him, he was absolutely famed for his gentle nature, for his compassion, his mercy, his forgiveness, and his courtesy. I mean, he was literally famous for them. It's only defamers who have tried to blot that out, but it survives in some written texts that we still have. Okay, anybody else? I mean, we don't want to talk to Caesar right now because we have other questions. I guess we don't want to bother him unless we have really important questions. And I'm assuming we can ask questions about Caesar through this source, through the Cassiopaeans, without having to necessarily disturb Caesar on too many occasions. Is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, while we're on the topic, let me get in a couple of questions... [laughter] First of all, we didn't ask about Caesarion, did we?

(Pierre) Caesarion? Oh, no.

(L) Did Caesar and Cleopatra have a child together?

A: No.

Q: (L) Who was the father of her child that she named Caesarion?

A: Anthony.

Q: (L) Alright then. Was Caesar in love with Cleopatra?

A: No.

Q: (Pierre) But he had interactions with her.

(L) Did he have... What do you mean interactions, Pierre? [laughter]

(Pierre) English is not my native language! The monkey dance, I dunno. [laughter]

(L) What do you mean English is not your native language?! [laughter] Inquiring minds want to know...

(Athena) Oh lord...

(Pierre) It's an essential point of history!

(L) Inquiring minds want to know if he was having the hanky-panky with her? [laughter]

A: Once or twice...

Q: (Pierre) Or three times, or four times...

(L) Well, you know it's an interesting thing, because when you read his Continuators, those who followed the Gallic Wars and the civil wars... There was the African war, and the Spanish war, and so forth... but you see they make no mention of any affair with Cleopatra. And some others I think made no mention of her, and they would have been likely to have known. The assumption of scholars is that they "passed over" this in silence because Caesar never mentioned it. They were honoring his silence. But my thought is that they passed over it in silence because there was nothing to report. If anything happened of a hanky panky nature, it was so fleeting and unimportant... and only the defamers blew it up and made a big deal out of it...

(Pierre) Was Cleopatra in love with Caesar?

A: No.

Q: (Chu) Did he know that Caesarion wasn't his?

(L) Caesarion wasn't born until after he was dead.

(Athena) That's a no.

(L) Okay, so any other Caesar questions at the moment? Well, we can always ask more Caesar questions later.

(Alana) I've got a question. I'm wondering if like where he is in the contemplation plane, does he see what we're doing as a group, and is he interested?

(Perceval) Too busy contemplating.

A: When thoughts about him are intense and focused, he "hears".

Q: (Pierre) And that might be one key for the prayers. To reach him, the prayer of the person must be intense and focused to go through.

A: It helps also to eliminate lies, illusions and so forth.

Q: (L) So, it helps to know that it IS Caesar, to know something about Caesar, to know the reality of his life and what he really did, and what he really meant...

(Perceval) So he gets VERY little e-mail, then...

(L) Yeah, obviously, he gets very few e-mails. At this point in time, few people know.

(Pierre) Less and less.

(L) So, if more people became aware of the truth of Caesar, and thought about him more intently and would focus on the truth, would that have any effect on receiving information or strength or... What would you say? Almost like answers to prayers, or communication, or being in tune or connected, or something like that?

A: Something like that, yes.

Q: (PoB) Would it also help him in his contemplation state?

A: No.

Q: (L) Okay. We're going to change topics here. As you know, we just had this plane fall out of the sky over the Ukraine. Immediately the US blamed Russia, and then it started blaming the Russian-aided freedom fighters in East Ukraine. Meanwhile, the Russians say it was clearly the Ukrainians in conjunction with US/NATO/UK/Whoever. So, I guess the first thing we ought to ask is: What brought the plane down?

A: [Spiraling] Bomb on the plane placed there prior to departure.

Q: (Pierre) Schiphol airport, again! The famous Underwear Bomber place! So, MOSSAD?

(L) Who was involved?

A: Note change in altitude for "signature".

Q: (Perceval) From 35 to 33...

(L) 33. Is 33 the clue?

A: Yes. Consortium. And who is at the top of this STS pyramid??

Q: (Perceval) Figures.

(L) Who is at the top of this pyramid? And who is at the top?

(Perceval) MOSSAD.

(L) MOSSAD? The Israelis?

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) It seems the goal was to further demonize Putin and Russia. But was it also to distract from what's happening in Palestine?

A: Absolutely!

Q: (Pierre) Is it only coincidence... before MH 17, there was MH 370, this plane that disappeared from the same company. Is it just coincidence that the two incidents involve the same airline company?

A: Another "signature".

Q: (Data) Why did the plane deviate from its usual course?

A: Instructed by ATC.

Q: (Perceval) Air traffic control at Schiphol?

A: Kiev.

Q: (Perceval) So, some agent...

(L) There was some control by MOSSAD in Kiev, and that whole Nazi business going on there...

(Kniall) They've been there for DECADES!

A: Yes!

Q: (L) I think that was answering Kniall there.

(Data) Why was it necessary to change the course with a bomb on board?

(L) So it would fall where it did. They had to change the course to put it in the middle of the war zone.

(Ark) The Russians were saying that the timing was a little bit miscalculated because it was supposed to come down closer to the Russian territory so that it would be easier to blame Russia.

A: Yes.

Q: (Pierre) It exploded too early.

(L) Yeah, they're so lazy, they never get anything perfect.

(Chu) Or too impatient.

A: But most people are so gullible it doesn't matter.

Q: (Perceval) You can say that again.

(Kniall) Another signature. That suggests some planning at a level behind the first Malaysian plane...

(L) No it doesn't. It's just like answering back to what happened to that first one.

(Pierre) It's like, "They removed the 370, so we'll bring down the 17!"

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) Which is really screwed up when you think about it. The signal is strong, ya know? Okay, we make MH 370 disappear. And the only answer they have instead of behaving better is, "Okay, we bring down MH 17, and we increase even more the lies and suffering!"

(Perceval) So these signatures are used for what? Just for fun? For whose benefit?

A: Pride, hubris, warnings to those who know.

Q: (Chu) On the session when we talked about the interpreters and stuff, the plane {that disappeared, Flight 370}, if I understood correctly, was a message...

(L) It was a warning...

(Chu) To not go too far.

(L) And they've basically answered by saying, "Up yours!"

A: Yes.

Q: (Chu) So would that mean that there really is a "law" that can prevent them from really going full-blown and starting a war?

(L) There's no law that can prevent them, no.

(Chu) They can go to war if they want to. It's just not in their interest to go too far.

(L) I don't think they think about what's in their interest. I think they're too far gone.

(Perceval) Well, hang on... The original idea was that it was some kind of bleedthrough. So, it was a natural thing. It wasn't necessarily a warning from anybody. They just interpreted it that way. They didn't see it as something was telling them, "Don't you dare!"

(L) Yeah, they don't see it that way. But it SHOULD have been a warning IF they had been paying attention.

(Perceval) As in a cause and effect kind of way. If you keep going like this, you're gonna...

(Chu) But the effect would have been that they would have seen it as, "You can't go too far here..."

(L) IF they had understood it. If they had understood that the conditions that were causing bleedthroughs and so on and so forth were a result of their actions and their behaviors globally speaking... If they had understood that, they would have said, "Hmm, weird things are happening. Let's rethink what's going on and what we're doing!" But instead, they interpreted it...

(Pierre) And they did the opposite, and they're raising the ante. They're worsening the situation.

(Perceval) What I was thinking earlier on was that, if the original idea was that they couldn't go too far, as in spark a major war with Russia by sending NATO into the Ukraine or whatever, they backed off from that because of their interpretation of the {disappearance of Flight 370}... As in, a plane went missing, it's a bit dodgy, we don't know what's going on, let's just cool it a bit...

(L) Somebody backed off...

(Perceval) Somebody backed off. So if that's true in that sense, shooting down a plane was like a Plan B or a second option that wasn't the full-scale kind of war {they may have been planning; it was on the level of mass emotional manipulation; an information war as opposed to an actual war. Because it's an all-out information war going on now because of this.

(L) Well, let me ask this: 20 years ago, on 3rd December 1994, you gave a series of short little prophecies. Being so long ago, they kind of hit to the side, but one of the first was, "Ukraine explosion; chemical or nuclear". The second one was: "Hawaii crash; aviation, possibly involving military." And those two were juxtaposed next to each other, and there was a semicolon and period, and then the next sequence began. The next sequence was a series of earthquakes in California, destruction of California, Mount Lassen, several other volcanoes along the west coast of the US erupting, the sea floor subsiding, and so forth.

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{3 Dec 1004: Ukraine explosion; chemical or nuclear. Hawaii crash; aviation, possibly involving military. More California seismic activity after 1st of year: San Diego, San Bernardino, North Bakersfield, Barstow: all are fracture points. Hollister, Palo Alto, Imperial, Ukiah, Eureka, Point Mendocino, Monterrey, Offshore San Luis Obispo, Capistrano, Carmel: these are all stress points of fracture in sequence. “Time” is indefinite. Expect gradual destruction of California economy as people begin mass exodus. Also, Shasta erupts; Lassen activity. Ocean floor begins to subside.

Getting to my question: Was that “Hawaii crash” a reference to what has happened here recently, like for example with MH 370 and MH 17? Even though the original was Hawaii, I would say Malaysia is in the Pacific more or less, so it's kind of sideways... Was that a reference to these events, even that far in advance?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) So that was seen that far in advance as a marker, as a major event. There's been a lot of stuff that has happened since then that they didn't mention. So, why did that one stand out 20 years ago? Why did this event stand out so strongly? Are we all screwed?

A: Interpretation is key. The elements here are metaphoric. That far in advance it can only be approximate. However, note the confluence of major elements in terms of similarity.

Q: (L) So, Ukraine obviously has been known in advance as a flashpoint, and there is some awareness of... Could it be said that these sorts of things were already in the minds of some planners that far in advance?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, they change or shift their plans...

(Perceval) When you say planners...

(L) Do you mean human planners?

A: And 4D STS.

Q: (Perceval) The ones who jump around in time and stuff.

(L) So they change things to confuse things. Well, they once said something about how they can change things. They specifically said something about that: moving back and forth in time.

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{7 Jan 1996: The forces at work here are far too clever to be accurately anticipated so easily. You never know what twists and turns will follow, and they are aware of prophetic and philosophical patternings and usually shift course to fool and discourage those who believe in fixed futures.}

(Perceval) Can I ask how long in advance this bombing of MH 17 was planned? Like in a practical sense?

(L) Practical sense like right now?

(Perceval) As in today? How long ago did they decide on it?

A: 3 weeks.

Q: (PoB) It was well organized with Kiev moving the ground to air missile launchers closer...

(L) Yeah, they made a plan, and they moved those launchers in place to confuse the issue. They turned them on so that the radar would be read by the Russian detectors, they planted the bomb... That was probably the easiest part: getting the bomb on the plane. The Israelis run that airport. It could have been a timed bomb, or it could have been a triggered bomb. It could have been triggered by the accompanying jets that were seen flying alongside it, assuming they were there.

(Perceval) I wouldn't think that would even be necessary.

(L) It could be just a timer. Hell, it could be set off by dialing a telephone or something.

(Pierre) You know, it's roughly three weeks before... It's roughly the beginning of the Gaza invasion. They're starting to bomb Gaza, and they already know, "Okay, we are going to bomb and kill all those civilians, and there'll be this international uproar. So in two or three weeks, we need to create a diversion. Let’s bring down a plane!"

(Perceval) Or they see how it goes. It's part of the plan...

(Pierre) Yeah, and if necessary, we bring it down.

(Perceval) Were the Israelis or someone working for the Israelis responsible for the murder of those three Israeli teenagers?

A: Yes. How else to get a conflict going?

Q: (Perceval) That's what they've always done.

(Timotheos) Is there any significance to the fact that there were a hundred or so AIDS researchers on board that plane?

(Perceval) Were there that many?

A: Not as many as that.

Q: (Perceval) Yeah, apparently there weren't that many.

A: And, no.

Q: (L) They just were there.

(Perceval) It was just a random plane in the sense that it fit the bill.

(L) And they made sure they didn't have anybody they didn't want to kill on there.

(Perceval) In terms of the propaganda war and the kind of lower-level conflict, I suppose you would say that it is between the US and Russia...

(Kniall) Is there some understanding between the US and Russia that Israel is the wildcard?

(Perceval) No, that's not what I'm thinking of. In terms of these people at the top of the pyramid, do they feel threatened in any way by what Putin and Russia is doing, or is that merely at the lower level of geopolitical chessboard nonsense?

A: They are incapable of seeing outcomes other than what they wish.

Q: (Perceval) I think way back just after 9/11, there was a reference made to the "Russians" having some evidence about 9/11? Is that true, or am I...?

(L) No, that wasn't in the sessions.

(Perceval) Do the Russians have any data on the truth of the 9/11 attacks?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) Would it ever be in the realm of possibility, or within Putin's power to release that kind of information just to mix things up in the information war?

A: Strong possibility if the tide of public perception can be adjusted.

Q: (Pierre) And does that evidence involve the US and/or Israel?

(L) Well, since we have a pretty good idea of who did it, we know the answer to that. Okay, so that leads me to a question that's been on my mind for the last day or so. I noticed that the "Black Hats", the bad guys, the whole pathological community seem to be quite well-organized and unified to some extent in their public activities. For example, Israel is able to get all these students, the Hasbara program; the Pentagon has hired all of these people to engage in cyber warfare; there are trolls that go all over the internet swaying public opinion and writing commentary. Edward Snowden has come out and explained exactly how it's done. I mean, they have a HUGE, elaborate cyber warfare program and train people to get out there and work for the control of people's minds. It's just absolutely staggering. So, one thing about it that really gets me is that first of all, even with this revelation of Snowden that has hit all the major media, people don't stop and think that EVERYTHING that's going on could be part of that disinformation program! The second thing is, why is it that people with peaceful, world-benevolent opinions and approaches - people of conscience - can't get together in the same way that evil does? Evil seems to coalesce, and people of conscience seem to... it's almost like their conscience forces them to fight with each other! I mean, assuming they even have a conscience. What's the deal here? I want to know.

A: First of all notice that the STS side uses two hooks: money and promises of power. It is not so much "unity of purpose." Secondly, just as you have learned from your studies of psychology and from the work of Gurdjieff, people with the genetics for "soul" or conscience are very wounded by the programming of family and society.

Q: (L) So, it's their wounds, their programming, their buffers as Gurdjieff says, that keeps them all pointing in dozens of different directions with different opinions, ideas, wounds, fears, and so on. And that prevents unity. Is there anything that can change that?

A: Sure!

Q: [laughter] (L) What?

A: Work or a huge shock!

Q: (Perceval) A huge shock like a giant fireball? Giant meteorite or an earthquake?

A: Some cosmic activity might do it provided the seeds of knowledge have been planted as you have been doing for years now. As we once said, from the fire comes light. There are several levels of meaning there.

Q: (L) Cosmic fire, maybe?

A: Yes!

Q: (Pierre) Cosmic activity can help this seed to grow?

(Chu) No, I don't think that's what they're saying.

(L) I think they're saying that that's the shock. And if there is a seed there, and if there is any potential in the individual, if the shock doesn't kill them, then...

(Pierre) So the shock due to cosmic activity is what will make the seed grow?

(Ark) No!

(Chu) The seed of knowledge has to be there for people to interpret it, right?

(L) I think they already have to have it inside them, then they get a shock, and then afterwards...

(Pierre) Yeah, the shock makes the seed of knowledge grow...

(Ark) No! The knowledge cannot grow by shock. The knowledge can grow only if you get more truth. Shock may only cause the seed to do some job.

(L) Like what?

(Ark) I mean, because you may know things, know things, know things... and do nothing! And then, there comes shock, and then you realize that your knowledge - you were not using your knowledge!

(Perceval) It seems to me that this might apply to a lot of forum members who have been just quietly absorbing the information, but unable to do anything with it because of all this programming and stuff. The seed of knowledge has been planted in those people, but they haven't actually done anything with it.

(L) But when it becomes real...

(Perceval) When they realize that, "Holy #####, this isn't just theoretical! A fireball just blew the crap out of Washington, DC!"... God willing... [laughter] Suddenly it's true for them, and it may activate the knowledge that they've been growing slowly inside.

(L) In other words, it will kind of like blow the fear away because what's really holding people back is fear: these programs, these buffers. That's what Caesar said last week. He said to be true to your inner nature, and fear nothing. You have to get to the point where you fear nothing. You have to get to the point where you can say “It’s a good day to die” like Black Elk said before going into battle.

(Chu) But there's also the other side of the coin in people who think that things don't apply to them, or they can learn that tomorrow, or...

(L) Or it's happening over there, and not here... That’s why working on SOTT is so important; it provides LOTS of shocks!

(Chu) I was telling people this morning in the kitchen that I watched a video. It's really shocking. It's a meteorite that fell in Argentina. People saw the light, the crater. The authorities covered it up really quick. And you see a hundred people at least, protesting that the authorities are lying, and that it wasn't a gas stove burning the house down. But NONE of them was able to say it was a meteorite because none of them had the frame of reference. And it was SO frustrating hearing these people saying, "People are lying to us! We want the truth!" They were shouting. But none of them, it never occurred to them... They thought it was like a missile, or an attack...

(L) Well, it's like the chemtrails issue. They KNOW that the government is lying to them, and so they create this elaborate conspiracy theory that the government is spraying masses of chemicals in the upper atmosphere. Every single plane that makes a contrail is automatically a chemtrail producer.

(Chu) And it's usually the cosmic connection that is not in people's minds. It has to be the government, it has to be some kind of force or whatever, so it seems to me they're saying it has to be...

(L) Aristotle still holds sway.

(Pierre) The question I wanted to answer is, those shocks due to cosmic activity... Is it because on the psychological level, there is this fear and people are thinking, "Oh, it's real!" And/or because cosmic activity might modify the electromagnetic environment and stimulate shifts in some people?

A: A little of both. And for now Goodbye.

(Perceval) They just took off?

(Ark) That was a shock! [laughter]

(Alana) 9/11 was a shock, right? And so many people like myself included, started... I remember being in Europe and thinking, "I haven't ever been watching the news. Why did this come? Why did this happen?" How many people started asking questions and trying to understand what happened? That's how many people found the forum. It took a shock.

(L) Yeah, so that's one kind of big shock. So, if there gets to be another big, humongous shock, there's going to be a whole different attitude about things; but only if people have the knowledge to parse it.

(Perceval) I think it has to be a shock that isn't selective. It has to be something that can't be dismissed as just happening to "those people over there”. It has to be something that threatens everybody. A visceral kind of "Oh my god! My ##### is toast!"

(Chu) Problem with those is that it's usually too late, if it's threatening the entire world.

(L) Well, obviously there's going to be… well... a really big shock would necessarily include death on a massive scale.

(Perceval) But I'm talking here about only the people who, as they said, contained the seed of knowledge that has been planted. The vast majority of people don't even have that.

(Bubbles) Don't the C's have loads of free time? Where did they go?

(L) I think they perceived my tiredness.

(Perceval) They have to go to Intermarche. [laughter] They're out of eggs for their fatbombs.

(Ark) Speaking of these shocks... Okay, people after an earthquake: an earthquake is certainly a shock, but do they wake up in any way after an earthquake?

(L) Not if they don't know something.

(Chu) A lot of people didn't wake up after 9/11 either.

(L) Yeah. So, it's going to be only the people who've had the seeds of knowledge implanted already, and they have been taking root and growing slowly inside them. But they're not yet...

(Perceval) Look at the effects of this recent shock of the plane crashing. The vast majority of people felt it as a shock in some way or another, and it made them MORE authoritarian, more authoritarian followers. It threw them into the arms of the government. Ya know, "Get Putin! He's out to get us!" They basically bought the lie, and went further to the Dark Side just like so many people did on 9/11, buying the government conspiracy theory about 19 Arabs who couldn’t fly.

(Andromeda) They have different seeds.

(Perceval) Exactly. A few people, like on our forum and who read Sott and our work would have felt it as a shock as well. But, because they had the seeds of knowledge about how these things happen and who does them, and that it's all lies, that pushed them further in the direction of waking up and realizing that things are getting serious! It was confirmation that this kind of ##### is real, there IS really a cabal, there IS really an STS pyramid, ya know... It's more confirmation for what they already know. And it's a shock.

(Ark) But, but... There is also another thing, because Pierre mentioned electromagnetic whatever. Now, such a shock, what it can do is, it can destroy the programming frequencies of the STS.

(L) Oh yeah.

(Perceval) The frequency fence?

(Ark) And then, because we are all the time blocked from knowing more at higher levels, those who have knowledge and those who don't, being beamed in many ways, by some kind of organized thing…

(L) A cosmic event could definitely destroy the frequency fence.

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Falls drop by drop upon the heart,
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Saturday, July 19, 2014
MH17 Plane Down Over Ukraine - Extended Version / More Complete Reading....

http://psychicfocus.blogspot.com.au/2014...ended.html


I wanted to take some time and do a more detailed reading addressing some questions in the original post and making a little more fluid sense of the recent events and the actions regarding the MH17....

Q. How is the MH370 related to this event? Was the Malaysian government / authorities knowledgeable of what was happening?
A. I see the MH370 being taken over by an Asian group that I have later put together (though physical characteristics of military and personnel around the plane after it was diverted and landed) to be a combination of Chinese and/or Malaysian government / military. (There is some underground allied plan going on that I am still sorting out. Malaysia wants to be in solid with China as China begins to emerge as the new superpower. I sense some kind of a deal was made.??).

When the MH370 was taken I kept seeing ET involvement, cloaking, very different and very advanced technology being used to "hide" the missing MH370 plane. I then determined that ETs may have been involved, but the bigger clue was the technology or intelligence stolen was in reality something that seemed advanced and more technologically advanced than anything ever seen or used before. The ET inference (I saw over and over) was taking me down the path of the technology taken, which was the much bigger clue. In my "mental dictionary" when I see ETs I think of higher level thinking, mental communication, telepathy, etc- and I feel the "universe" was trying to make me understand the magnitude of this technology (physical and human based knowledge) on board the MH370. (I much later understood that the people on board the MH370 formed a private group developing this very high-tech technology... truly it was some of the passengers that were the asset and not the plane itself; however, the plane ended up being part of the plan as well.).

After the MH370 was taken , it was "hidden" and guarded on the Great Cocos Island where it was prepared for its next mission (the end goal being to get the technology back to the main country in disguise either on board or attached to the plane). Time after time I saw the plane as guarded and people doing work... I would see wires pulled out, soldering being done etc... The plane was guarded, felt protected and the energy was stressful and intense.

I saw many references to the islanders while focusing on this plane (I see they were somehow protective or concerned for these distraught MH370 passengers). I saw many times a group of passengers with the islanders in the central part of the island where there village was... as if some of the passengers were able to escape and were being helped??? (still not sure but I definitely saw a group living with them). I also got images of native trees, fruit, spiders, etc... I feel fairly confident they were located on Great Cocos (or within miles of there) during this "prep work."

In a recent post I felt the energy surrounding the MH370 had changed, as if the plane was separate from the people (I think some - like a group of 5 or less did escape and hide with the islanders). There was a big disconnect of energy. As I focused on it I saw the MH370 passengers in holding. They weren't being treated great, but they had the basics of what they needed (food, water and a cot to sleep on). It looked as though they were in some kind of a warehouse in a desert?? The temperature is very hot and dry. The building is huge and I keep seeing them looking up at the 20 foot ceilings with tiny windows surrounding the top perimeter of the building. It feels detrimental to the passengers to go further with that, so I will stop there...

Q. Why were the MH370 passengers kept alive?
I get they still proved to be of value. A small group of individuals aboard this plane had important information and had knowledge of (what I get) "earth changing" defense weaponry. As China rises to a superpower, this defense is essential, and drastic measures would be taken to keep it safe. China feels ruthless and obsessed with getting the upper hand in this defense weapon.

Q. How did the swap of the "prepped" MH370 and "old" MH17 occur?
A. I see during a moment of down time with the MH17 Chinese military (possibly Malaysian, but I get a stronger energy from the Chinese government) flew the old MH17 to the Great Cocos Island and flew the MH370 (painted up like the MH17) back into circulation. People boarding the MH17 were really on the MH370 in disguise and didn't know any different.

Q. Was this a false flag or did it really happen? Did people lose their lives?
A. Yes, there was loss of life. People on board the (disguised MH370) MH17 were killed in the explosion.

Q. What happened prior to the plane going down? What was going on with the pilots?
A. I get the pilots were the normal pilots. They were not military and were not suspecting of anything being unusual when they took off, and even began their flight. Then I get something unusual happened during the flight, and either their instrumentation was off, not calibrated, or they realized something wasn't reading right (direction, altitude, etc). The plane was directed into a war zone, which was then shot down.

In the background I see someone else flying this plane like a remote control. I get the feedback the pilots were getting at the time was somehow false, but something different was occurring. (For example they were told there were in one location based off the instrument panel, when reality they were somewhere else). The objective was to get the MH370 (disguised as MH17) back into the country.

Q. Who shot down the plane and why?
A. I get that during the entire time the US was searching for the missing MH370. The talk of it crashing was false and a distraction. As soon as the US got word of the MH370 being missing a red flag went up because there were some powerful / important people on the flight. Even though no intel came in beforehand regarding the plot of the MH370, the US soon put it together once the plane was missing. Diego Garcia base was frantic trying to find this missing plane. I get that the US military had an idea of where the plane was, but couldn't "see" (still putting this together) it to retrieve it.

The US military (with the support of the Ukraine) finally gained some useful chatter once the "swap" of planes occurred. The plane was being tracked, and once it was over the "war zone" it was confirmed that this technology was either on board or a part of the plane- possibly even being tested remotely but failed. (I get a strong impression that they plane was flown into the warzone remotely and on purpose to test the effectiveness of the "new" technology and failed.) It was a tough decision, but the US and Ukraine couldn't risk the Chinese gaining this technology and or modifying / enhancing it to strengthen their position.

Q. What are they going to do with the real (original) MH17?
A. I see two paths with this. If this first mission went successfully they would use some scrap off the original MH17 and plant it in the ocean and call it MH370 wreckage. It was a way to dispose of the real MH17, end the MH370 story and give the families of the MH370 some closure.

Now that this mission failed, I see them trying to revisit this plan and try to figure out a way to use the MH17 to do what the modified MH370 could not do.. I get this plan is being created and evolving currently.

Q. Where to do we go from here? What's going to be said?
A. First, I get that Russia will be made to be the scapegoat in all this. It will enhance the current tensions with Russia and the Ukraine. It will also help strengthen the Ukraine's position in the world with regard to allies and other country's support. Many things will be said that won't add up. There will be twists and turns to the story that will not resonate as true, or even logical once they are pondered.

The questions I am still trying to sort out and gain some clarity:
Why did I get such intense images of ET interference?
Why did I sense they were in a parallel time? Was all of this related to this superb technology that was about to be released?

Original reading after first hearing about MH17: http://psychicfocus.blogspot.com/2014/07...-down.html

Link to MH370 reading and follow-up comments: http://psychicfocus.blogspot.com/2014/03...mh370.html

And that is all I have at this time. Thank you. Narrated reading available on YouTube.
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Malaysian Boeing falls into the zone of fire of the SAM "Buk" system managed by Armed Forces of Ukraine, moreover, next to the passenger plane was spotted Ukrainian Su-25, states the chief of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of Russian Armed Forces, Lieutenant-General Andrew Kartapolov.

Russian Defense Ministry has provided data on the objective control of Malaysian Boeing 777 crash in Ukraine, RIA "Novosti".

According Kartapolova, "prepared by the Ministry of Defense of Russia, materials will be transferred today to the experts of the leading European countries and Malaysia."

"In connection with the July 17 crash of a passenger aircraft Boeing 777 of the Malaysian airlines recently, a large number of conflicting information emerged. So, the Russian Defense Ministry found it necessary to present objective data available to the Russian Armed Forces General Staff "- he said.

He presented the flight path of the Boeing.

"The diagram shows that the route of the aircraft, as well as the proposed crush location of the Boeing is covered by anti-aircraft missile systems" Buk " manned by the Armed Forces of Ukraine", - said the general.

"We have satellite images of individual locations of air defense of the Ukrainian army in the south-east of the country," - said General to ITAR-TASS.

"On the day of the crash B-777 Ukrainian air defense group consisted of three or four missile battalions of S" Buk M-1. "These complexes are capable of hitting targets at altitudes up to 22 kilometers. Why and against whom were Ukrainian security forces deployed these means of destruction, because, as we know, militia has no aviation ", - he said.

Kartapolov said that the first three pictures are dated July 14. "The first picture shows the " Buk "SAM launchers in the area eight kilometers north-west of Lugansk. In the picture, you see well, are two self-propelled machines " added the general pesenting the next picture of radar station near Donetsk.

The third photo shows the position of air defense equipment in the region of Donetsk, said Head of the General Staff of the Main Operations Directorate. In the picture, in particular, is clearly visible propelled fire setting, about 60 units of military and special equipment, said Kartapolov.

"From the same area, and photographs that were taken on July 17, you can note that the launcher is missing. In the photo number 5 that of the morning of the same day near the village of Zaroschinskoe, 50 km east of Donetsk, and 8 km south of Shahtersk was detected "Buk" battery , he stated.

Russia has recorded an increase in the intensity of the radar operation in Ukraine on the day of the crash of Boeing. On July 15 in the area of ​​the crash were registered operation of seven radar stations, On July 16 eight, and on July 17 nine stations were operating. Thereafter, the intensity of the radar operation began to fall, and currently are recorded two or three working stations.

"What was the reason of their operation is still to be determined," - said the representative of the General Staff.

"It was recorded that three aircraft, including the Boeing 777 of Malaysian Airlines, flew at the same time, presumably Su-25 od the Ukrainian Air Force aircraft, at a distance of three to five kilometers from the Boeing 777, "- said the general.

"From 17.20 the steady speed decline was recorded of the aircraft, and in 17.23 their disappearance from Russian radar screenswas marked," - he said at a briefing on Monday.

Russian Defense Ministry also showed pictures of the international air routes, on which was supposed to fly Boeing.

"Until Donetsk plane followed the established corridor, and then it has deviated from the route to the north. The maximum distance from the boundary of the corridor was 14 kilometers. Crew tried maneuver to to return the Boeing within the established air corridor. Crew did not have the time to finish the maneuver, "- said the general.

"What was the reason for departing from the standard route, the plane navigation crew error or command from executive manager of the Ukrainian air traffic control in " Dnepropetrovsk ", this can be answered after deciphering the flight data recorders, known as black boxes, and talks with dispatchers" - said Kartapolov.

"According to our calculations, from 17.06 to 17.21 MSK on July 17 over the south-eastern regions of Ukraine flew an American spacecraft, this experimental space systems plane is designed to detect and track missile launches of various ranges," - said Kartapolov.

"If the American side, has pictures from the satellite, I would ask them to provide the international community with their detailed study," - he said.

"Accident or not, the crash of the Malaysian Boeing was observed by U.S. observation satellite of the Ukrainian territory," - said Kartapolov.

Russian Air Force also said that Russia did not pass to the Ukraine militia "Buk" missile systems, as well as other weapons. According to the general, common in the media videos of allegedly depicting the transport of SAM "Buk" in Russia from Ukraine, are fakes. "They are obviously faked materials, - he said. - Pictures that were marked as from Krasnoarmeysk, and were located next to the road post, had address of the street car dealership Dnipropetrovsk, Building 34. "

"Krasnoarmiysk is from May 11 under the control of the Ukrainian army," - said Kartopolov.
http://www.vzglyad.ru/news/2014/7/21/696560.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpeo5RcQQo

Its really hard to say, there are many information coming out of Luhansk, most of them, as usually, plain propaganda BS. One of them is that political leadership of LPR fled the city and left militia commanders in charge. They still have that route to Krasnodon open, but they cannot afford to call for units in Krasnodon to come to their aid, otherwise Izvarino UA forces that are holding part of border area, cut from rest of UA units for god-knows-how-long would march to Krasnodon and closed the circle.

They cannot afford to call on Torez - Snizhne units because they are holding off southern flank and meanwhile UA forces are massing for past few days next to Amvrosiivka and MLRSing seps position near Saur Mogila, Amvrosiivka etc, certainly preparing for assault on Amvrosiivka.

And they´ve been cut off Mozgolev Severodonetsk group who is now under another assault. In Donetsk, Strelkov is meanwhile desperately trying to recruit as many locals as humanly possible, offering them thrice the average salary.

Their problem is that after Slaviansk they came to "not a step back" position. And they are under assault everywhere. And after MH17, UA forces can do whatever the hell they want and no one will raise an eyebrow. There will be no more calling from Berlin about direct peace talks between seps and Poroshenko. Seps AD operators will now think very, very carefully about launching another missile (that Antonov today came under AAA fire, not MANPAD and managed to perform emergency landing on friendly airport with minimal damage). And by assaulting western outskirts of Luhansk, UA forces cut the Donetsk - Luhansk - Krasnodon supply line shut. Meanwhile in US Congress, Congressmen are demanding supplying UA army with advanced weaponry (that is whole point of that act), Poland pretty much is already doing that and now even Angela Merkel said to Hollande that he should stop the Mistral transfer. And on Tuesday or Wednesday you will see more sanctions, possibly something more.
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http://libya360.wordpress.com/2014/07/20...eeze-2014/

MH-17 and NATO Excercise “Breeze 2014″
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Beware of the Chameleon

By Wayne Madsen

The 10-day NATO exercise code named BREEZE 2014 has ended in Black Sea. The exercise, which included the use of electronic warfare and electronic intelligence aircraft such as the Boeing EA-18G Growler and the Boeing E3 Sentry Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS), coincided with the shoot down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 in eastern Ukraine, some 40 miles from the Russian border. NATO ships and aircraft had the Donetsk and Luhansk regions under total radar and electronic surveillance.

MH-17 was shot down over a region where Russian-speaking separatist forces have been battling against the alliance of the Ukrainian armed forces and a private mercenary force answerable to a Ukrainian-Jewish billionaire oligarch.

The U.S. Army has revealed that the 10-day exercise involved «commercial traffic monitoring». Because of the sophistication of the electronic warfare and intelligence used during SEA BREEZE, it can be assumed that commercial traffic monitoring included monitoring the track of MH-17.

Past NATO-Ukraine exercises in Crimea were called SEA BREEZE. This year’s annual SEA BREEZE exercise with Ukraine, approved by the rump Ukrainian Parliament, is clouded in mystery with the Pentagon saying “it was only in the planning stage and we can’t announce dates yet“. However, 200 U.S. Army personnel normally assigned to bases in Germany were in Ukraine during the time of the MH-17 fly-over. They were participating in NATO exercise RAPID TRIDENT II. Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense led the exercise.

BREEZE included the AEGIS-class guided missile cruiser USS Vela Gulf. AEGIS cruisers’ AN/SPY 1 radar has the ability to track all aircraft over a large region. For example, the AEGIS test center in Moorestown, New Jersey, was able to see the Boeing 747 TWA Flight 800 when it disappeared from radar screens in 1996 near East Moriches Bay, Long Island. According to Lockheed Martin personnel who operated the AEGIS test center in New Jersey, the Navy ordered the SPY 1 radar turned off for «maintenance» shortly before the downing of TWA 800.

From the Black Sea, the Vela Gulf was able to track Malaysian Airlines 17 over the Black Sea and any missiles fired at the plane. U.S. AWACS electronic intelligence (ELINT) aircraft were also flying over the Black Sea region at the time of the MH-17 flyover of Ukraine. Growler aircraft have the capability to jam radar systems in all surface-to-air threats.

The announcement of U.S. BREEZE and RAPID TRIDENT II military maneuvers came on May 21, 2014, and were announced on the website operated by Vice President Joe Biden’s office. Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, is a newly-named director of the Ukrainian natural gas and oil company Burisma Holdings, Ltd., owned by Ihor Kolomoisky, the Ukrainian-Israeli mafia oligarch, whose is known as the Chameleon. Kolomoisky has raised his own mercenary army, complete with the BUK missiles allegedly used in the shoot down of MH-17. Kolomoisky, the Governor of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast in eastern Ukraine, has threatened terrorist attacks against Russian-speaking officials in eastern Ukraine, including assassinations.


Ihor Kolomoisky

Burisma is a typical RUIM [Russian - Ukrainian - Israeli - Mafia] operation, with subsidiaries in such tax havens as Cyprus and the British Virgin Islands. It is part of Kolomoisky’s large umbrella corporation called Privat Group.

Kolomoisky, estimated to be the second-richest person in Ukraine, also has strong connections inside Kiev’s Borispol International Airport, where it has been reported that Ukrainian Interior Ministry troops stormed the air traffic control tower shortly before MH-17 was shot down. A Spanish air traffic controller, who possessed knowledge of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry’s involvement in the shoot down of MH-17, reportedly had his life threatened by people he described as Maidan troops, a reference to the Maidan Square uprising that toppled the Ukrainian government earlier this year. The Spanish controller, identified only as ‘Carlos’, understood that the shoot down of MH-17 was carried out by supporters of former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko and Interior Minister Arsen Avakov. Kolomoisky is a political ally of Tymoshenko and Avakov.

Kolomoisky, until 2012, owned Aerosvit Airlines, which used Borispol as a hub, and Donbassaero, which was based out of Donetsk Airport. Aerosvit leased all of its planes, including a Boeing 767, from Boeing Capital. After filing for bankruptcy, Aerosvit and Donbassaero ceased flying in April 2013. Among other Kolomoisky airlines, Skyways Express, based out of Stockholm Arland Airport; City Express, based at Gothenburg, Sweden Airport; and Cimber Sterling, based out of Sønderborg and Copenhagen Kastrup Airports in Denmark, all filed for bankruptcy in 2012. Kolomoisky continues to be active in commercial aviation. His Private Group owns Dniproavia, which is based at Dnipropetrovsk Airport. Kolomoisky’s aviation and Israeli security contacts gives him carte blanche access to secure airport facilities in Europe and around the world.

Kolomoisky’s forces are armed with advanced weaponry, obtained both from Ukrainian weapons inventories and from purchases on the black market. Kolomoisky’s forces reportedly possess the BUK surface-to-air missile system said to have been used to shoot down MH-17. Kolomoisky’s forces, comprising Ukrainian regular military personnel; neo-Nazi units from west Ukraine, and foreign mercenaries, including Georgians, Romanians, and white supremacists from Sweden and Germany; and ex-Israel Defense Force Blue Helmet commandos, are mainly separated into four battalions: the Azov Battalion; the Aidar Battalion, the Donbass Battalion; and the 2,000-strong Dniepr-1 (or Dnipro-1) Battalion, which was responsible for the deadly May 1 fire-bombing of the trade union building in Odessa and the burning alive of people trapped inside the Mariupol Police Station on May 9. Dnipro-1 also maintains a 20,000-member reserve force.

At the heart of Kolomoisky’s Army is a Nazi Brownshirt-style force of ardent Kolomoisky loyalists who have used guns, iron bars, and batons to seize control of factories and offices in Ukraine that Kolomoisky has expropriated from so-called separatist sympathizers.

Some of the Georgians who serve in Kolomoisky’s Army have reportedly been trained in the use of BUK missile systems previously sold by Ukraine to Georgia under the presidency of Mikheil Saakashvili. Kolomoisky has utilized ex-President Saakashvili’s consulting services in Dnipropetrovsk in the military and political campaign against the breakaway people’s republics of Donetsk and Luhansk.

Kolomoisky placed a one million dollar bounty on Ukrainian Member of Parliament member Oleg Tsarev, who fled to Russia after being severely beaten by Ukrainian right-wingers in Kiev.

Kolomoisky chooses to «command» his army from the safety of Switzerland, far from the front lines and relatively safe from arrest if his ties to terrorist attacks are ever pursued by legitimate governmental authorities.Kolomoisky has a powerful «insurance policy» against any legal recriminations. He counts on the powerful Israel Lobby in the United States to support his cause. Kolomoisky has publicly spoken of Ukraine as the «second homeland» of the Jewish people. And with The Lobby in his corner, Kolomoisky has indirect access to the highest levels of power within the Department of Defense, NATO, and the U.S. Intelligence Community.

A Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777, the same type that was used by MH-17 and the still-missing Malaysian Airlines flight 370, which disappeared on March 8 while en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, is stored in a hangar at Ben Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv. The Boeing 777 in Israel, with serial number 28416, Malaysia registration tail numb 9M-MRI, was sold to GA Telesis, LLC of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, on October 21, 2013. The Boeing 777 was re-registered with the United States tail number N105GT and first stored at Tarbes Lourdes Pyrenees airport and on November 4, 2013, was transferred to Tel Aviv, where it was last spotted in a hangar.

GA Telesis was founded by its CEO, Abdol Moabery. GA Telesis, a global aircraft leasing firm, is now owned by Bank of America Merrill Lynch and Century Tokyo Leasing. Moabery, a former U.S. Naval officer, formerly worked for Aviation Systems International, Inc. as executive vice president and for C-S Aviation Services, Inc. as sales and marketing director. Both of Moabery’s former companies are partly-owned by George Soros, who is partly responsible for laying the groundwork for the Ukrainian coup that ousted President Viktor Yanukovych. C-S (Chatterjee-Soros) Aviation is co-owned by Purnenda Chatterjee, who runs the Chaterjee Group, an investment firm.

Chatterjee Group owns Winston Partners of Alexandria, Virginia, an investment firm co-founded by Marvin Bush, son of George H W Bush. Winston owns corporate entities in the Cayman Islands, Isle of Man, Curacao, and Delaware. One of the Winston entities, Winston Capital Fund, has another Bush family investor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush. Interestingly, Marvin Bush has served as an adviser to HCC Insurance Holdings, Ltd, a re-insurer of the World Trade Center in New York. Marvin’s business dealings have also involved the purchase and leasing of commercial aircraft.

The executive chairman of GA Telesis Composite Repair Group, LLC, which would be responsible for retrofitting the Malaysian Boeing 777 in Tel Aviv is Aviv Tzur, an Israeli national who was previously the chairman of Ultimate Aircraft Composites (UAC), an Israeli-staffed firm that merged with GA Telesis. UAC, like GA Telesis, specializes in repairing and retrofitting aircraft. UAC also had contracts with the Israeli government.

The presence of a Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 in Tel Aviv, the mysterious disappearance of a second Malaysian Boeing 777 on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, and the attack on yet a third Amsterdam-to-Kuala Lumpur Malaysian Boeing 777 over eastern Ukraine may be more than coincidental. Amsterdam’s Schiphol Airport is a center for Israeli Mossad activity in Western Europe. Israeli-owned ICTS controls the security at Schiphol for passengers and cargo. It was ICTS that permitted Nigerian national Umar Farouk Abdulmutallah to slip past Schiphol’s normally stringent security on Christmas 2009 and board a Northwest Airlines Airbus bound for Detroit. While approaching Detroit, Abdulmutallah, who was permitted to board by ICTS in Amsterdam without a passport or U.S. visa, tried to detonate explosive materials sewn into his underpants.

The seizure of the air traffic control center at Borispol by allies of Kolomoisky shortly before the shooting down of MH-17 and Kolomoisky’s strong links to Israel, which benefited immensely from the downing of MH-17 because it drew the attention of the world’s media away from its ground invasion of Gaza, which began just as initial reports about the fate of MH-17 were being transmitted, may be the real story behind the loss of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 and the horrible deaths of its 298 passengers and crew.
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July 22 2014
BUSTED: PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF SHOOT DOWN PLANE WAS MH370

Earlier today I messed up a report about the number of seats and pulled that report. NOW WE HAVE THE SMOKING GUN, thanks to another internet sleuth, who spent many hours comparing photos of the wreckage to photos of MH370 and MH17, and he found the SMOKING GUN.
The mistake in the shoot down false flag was subtle, yet obvious, and is absolute proof it was flight 370.

In all paint jobs, things do not always line up the same. And the position of the flag on MH370 puts the leading edge at the first window behind the door, and on MH17, that flag instead lines up with the second window. You have to look at the correct side of the plane to see it, because the opposite side lines up the same on both planes. But when the correct sides of the two aircraft are compared (this would be the same as the passenger side of an American car) you can clearly see that the flag is an entire window off where it is supposed to be if it really was MH17.
There is no way out of this, this is irrevocable proof the shot down plane is flight 370. Now there is another spare jet out there for another false flag, 9M MRD.

Below are the two smoking gun photos.

It is important to note that MH370 was new, and therefore never repainted. This is the way the flag ALWAYS looked on Flight 370, and it forever pegs the shoot down plane as flight 370.


Next is flight MH17. Notice the flag position, and ALSO, that MH17 has an extra window on this side of the aircraft, TOTALLY BUSTING THE OFFICIAL STORY.


As earlier stated, my look into the illegal immigrant children story has now begun, and will continue for approximately 2 weeks as I travel mexico to bust the children on trains story and find out how they are actually coming up to America.
A development in the rotten bodies report

Now it is being said that a Dutch doctor who was at the scene within a day has released testimony that the bodies on the plane were rotten and dead days before the crash, which would corroborate what the military commander said and that evidence is there that they were also tortured before the crash. However, the translation from Dutch is very poor and I am working on secondary confirmation.
The Mexican press did a very detailed piece about the dead bodies, showing them being loaded on the train in body bags, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW BAD THEY SMELLED, with absolutely everyone at the scene gagging from the stench including robust military types and doctors. It was surreal, I have never seen anything like that regarding bodies from any disaster. There is no way that kind of rot could have set in in such a short time unless the bodies were indeed dead long before the shoot down.
It is extremely important to re-enforce reality with the fact that the bodies were rotten, because this proves beyond any doubt that THIS WAS NOT FLIGHT MH17, THERE IS NO POSSIBLE CONCIEVABLE WAY IT WAS NO MATTER WHAT STORIES ARE SPUN AND THEORIES ARE PRESENTED. I could care less what the MSM spins about this, the rotten bodies alone renders everything else irrelevant. There is no middle ground to be had with this.

GAZA Last night Mexican television did a huge segment on Gaza. In some scenes nothing identifiable is left, with only a barren lanscape of destroyed concrete and collapsed buildings all the way to the horizon (as far as the camera could see). It looks like Israel did the big dirty under the cover of "flight 370MH17," which was a heinous zio crime all by itself.
After the scene of total devastation, they aired video of a portion of gaza that appeared mostly intact, and went into a segment about displaced families and how the entire water infrastructure was completely destroyed and there was no safe water to drink other than stores of it that were made ready beforehand.

The number of dead listed is laughable, it has to be tens or hundreds of thousands. There is no way out of this, but I am certain that when all is said and done, the ziopress will firmly re-enforce the solid concrete fact that fewer than 50 people died, just like they did at Jenin and the Mexican press is reporting that Gaza is a war crime and it is all Israel's fault.

Not a 777?

Someone did a poor report saying it was not a 777 based upon the engines. However, it is obvious that MH17 crashed at hundreds of miles an hour, probably well over 350, and the reference plane (that crash in California last year) actually made a partially safe landing and the ripped off engine was intact. You cannot do comparisons between totally demolished engines and one that is intact, and from what I can see in the pieces laying around from the smashed to pieces engines of flight 370 (I am calling it now, it is time to stop playing games with this) all the pieces are there, including the large pieces.
I looked through the wreckage myself and see dissasembled Trent 892 engines. Enough pictures of the internal parts are available to show they are all there. The huge bell ends disintigrated in the crash, and what is left looks like a smaller engine if you do not look for pieces elsewhere. The big blades are there, ripped off and strewn through the wreckage.

The Mexican slant on America trying to blame Russia

Last night the Mexican press did a huge piece on flight 370 Er, uh, "MH17." They aired all the footage from the Russian satellites which proved Ukraine shot it down, and then went on an endless rant about how America is trying to blame Russia. I could not make out the actual take, if the Mexican press believes Russia did it or not, but I would guess that if they aired the radar records as well, which showed two Ukranian jets just as the original tower reports said (and subsequently got deleted off Twitter) and then followed up with what the Russian satellites said, that they showed enough truth to make even the brainless aware of what actually happened.
July 21 2014

Russian satellites and American satellites recorded the truth

America is being forced to backtrack on accusations that Russia downed flight MH17 after Russia produced proof that (as this web site reported on day one,) Ukranian fighter jets were accompanying flight MH17. Now an AP reporter has also stepped forward, saying that all along, from day one, he was shown proof that American satellites also tracked the shoot down, and that America knew Ukraine downed the plane as well.
On day one this web site clearly stated this shoot down was done in Ukraine BY UKRAINE when the real MH17 is never supposed to get within 200 KM of where this plane was shot down. This shoot down was done 200KM East of MH17´s established flight path because the outcome of the investigation could be controlled in that region and falsified to forever hide that beyond a reasonable doubt the plane was in fact flight 370. A real investigation would look at serial numbers on parts which would identify the plane they came from, and would not be limited to photos of a paint job and even those photos are totally messed up when all sources of them are put together in the same bin. A summary of the evidence proving this was flight 370, including what happened to the MH17 "passengers" is below:

Questions answered

The most asked question is "what about the passengers who boarded MH17."? Answer: Obviously, with the doctors claiming to have DNA identified the passengers on day two which is days too soon because you need two samples to identify anyone - one from before the passenger boarded which would be gathered from the home and one of the passenger, to match to the passenger, that statement is patently false because it could not be done that quickly and if they had to say that and were willing to this early on, they are lying about everything and it then becomes obvious that perhaps NONE of the stated passengers were aboard.
It is impossible get DNA identification THAT FAST when samples have to be gathered from Holland, China, Malaysia and other places from homes and elsewhere to be matched against people on the plane, and the fact the MSM is reporting that this was accomplished within two days, analyzed and matched to passengers proves the entire official story is a lie. It would be difficult to get to even one home and collect a decent sample in two days, let alone every home everywhere, and AFTER getting that sample then actually analyze it, a process which by itself takes days.

The obviously brand new passports also proves no one listed actually boarded any flight MH17.

Every passport gathered from the wreckage was absolutely totally and completely sparkly new as if it had never been touched before. This was shown in numerous youtube videos and higher quality photos. In any stack of passports gathered from people at random you would probably get one or two like that, but the fact that not a single one showed any wear at all proves that they were all printed a couple days prior to be used for falsifying who was on the plane. There should have been a mix of new, lightly used and totally dog eared passports if they really were as claimed. Once again, along with the phony DNA identification claims, the all 100 percent sparkly new passports reveal the lie. Obviously ZERO passports were on that plane, and a psy op team went through the wreckage and threw them there. The shoot down was well planned and teams were ready.
The rotten bodies proves no one living boarded that plane

Military commanders confirmed that a large portion of the bodies in the wreckage were rotten, drained of blood and dead for days before the plane even took off. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT ANOMALY WITH A RATIONAL BRAIN? Well, Rense said they were in the cargo hold and regular passengers were in the cabin, but that is a dubious claim when the air in the cargo hold of a 777 (which is pressurized) gets circulated through the main cabin as well as a normal matter of course which would have stunk so bad NO ONE would ever board, there were TONS of sparkly new passports and not a single used one, and "everyone was already DNA identified on DAY TWO" which would be flatly impossible.
The fact that flight MH17 continued on schedule without a hitch afterward also proves no one living boarded MH17 BECAUSE THAT ROUTE LOST ZERO AIRPLANES.

The fact that it is business as usual already also proves Route MH17 never lost an airplane. Can you see what I am getting at here? If you are waiting for the liars in the media to say OH, WE DID IT, THAT WAS FLIGHT 370, WE FAKED THE PASSPORTS, FAKED THE BOARDING LOGS FOR MH17 TO SPOOF BUSINESS AS USUAL AND SHOT DOWN FLIGHT 370 WITH ROTTEN BODIES ABOARD you are waiting for pathological liars to get well.
BUT WAIT, THERE IS MORE!

The media lies in this psy op just keep on giving - such as the 108 dead aids researchers on the plane, which this web site totally trashed, forcing a redaction of that statement and a reduction of that number to SIX. 108 DOES NOT EQUAL SIX. HOW DOES THAT MATCH THE BOARDING LOG? Quite well if it was phony and NEVER EXISTED.
How about another media screw up?

How about this one - the plane was 200 KM off course, 200KM TOO FAR INTO UKRAINE, 200 KM FARTHER THAN IT WOULD EVER BELONG AND THE MEDIA NEVER SAID IT. WHY? ANSWER: Because it had to be 200 KM off course to get to where completely zionist controlled people were to make good and sure a legitimate investigation, which would have identified it as flight 370, never got done. And it also as a bonus could be used to spin the lie that Russia did it.
And what about the three different departure times stated in the media? And the fact that it was listed as cancelled by the biggest aircraft tracking web site out there?

Obviously no one could get a departure time for MH17, because it stayed on the ground and a different plane took off so everyone in the media guessed and that created conflicts.

Is it obvious now? Sparkly clean passports showing up with no used ones in the mix, Completely DNA matched passengers being stated in the news when it is flatly impossible to even get pre crash samples that fast, the fact that NO ONE living would board a plane that had rotting corpses aboard, corpses that were not bagged and showed up in the wreckage like normal passengers, 108 aids doctors supposedly on the flight manifest reduced to 6, the plane being 200KM off course for no reason, THREE DIFFERENT DEPARTURE TIMES STATED, the largest flight web site listing it as canceled, THE PERFECT RESUMPTION OF FLIGHT MH17 AS IF NOT A SINGLE PLANE WAS LOST and probably 50 other details out there to be had PROVES THERE WAS NO MH17 AND THIS WAS DISPOSAL OF A DIFFERENT AIRCRAFT AND LOAD OF PASSENGERS.
What more can I say? I cannot think for you, if you are STILL ASKING WHAT ABOUT THE PASSENGERS WHO BOARDED MH17 WITH ALL OF THE ABOVE PERFECTLY DOCUMENTED IN THE PAGE BELOW, I GIVE UP.

HERE IS THE OBVIOUS ANSWER: Someone with a billion dollar budget bought all seats on MH17, ordered the plane to stay grounded, created fake boarding log, drafted up fake passports, and remote flew flight 370 and all original people on flight 370 out of the same airport while making sure they were good and dead beforehand so they could not talk about Diego Garcia, mixed them with perhaps a few other undesirables that were already whacked as well and then flew flight 370 to its final disposal over Ukraine. They had to get rid of that plane somehow, and the perfect corresponding time of shootdown with the time of the beginning of the ground assault on Gaza pretty much sews up WHO STOLE FLIGHT 370.


Oh please NOT AGAIN!

"http://www.accesstomedicineindex.org/joep-lange-will-be-greatly-missed [1]
So, yes, the original 100 was a lie, but Joep Lange was an important AIDS-researcher."

My response:

In getting the truth, you HAVE TO stay perfectly rooted in established FACT, which is: They stated 108 aids researchers were aboard via the "boarding log", were forced to redact it, which means THERE NEVER WAS A BOARDING LOG AND EITHER JOE NEVER EXISTED OR THEY KILLED HIM AND LOADED HIM IN WITH THE CORPSES ON FLIGHT 370 BECAUSE HE WAS INCONVENIENT.
They blew this psy op so badly there is no going back for them, the only accurate statement was there was a shoot down with rotten bodies aboard. The rest is BULLSHIT.

Dario wrote:

"I am sure you have already seen this or someone has informed you of this but Flightaware has changed its flight path data for MH17 for most of its flights before July 17th. It now shows the flight going right over Donetsk and Torez. Clearly tampered and manipulated!! Unfortunately I did not take any screenshots but I looked at this closely and clearly remember the flight paths south of the war zone in Eastern Ukraine going over NE of the Black Sea, Sea of Azov."
Dario

My response:

I am well aware of this tampering, it happened early on and it will probably fool the CNN crowd, which pretty much cannot be saved anyway. But there are lots of screen captures of the original record out there in the alternative press (and I saw these live before modification myself), which prove beyond a doubt that many "official sources" cannot be trusted AT ALL because they will falsify data to fit the official story. The Fukushima report produced by this web site nailed the USGS for falsifying info exactly the same way,

thanks for writing!

Amy wrote:

Hey Jim, Hope you are well. I read your page several times a day and have turned so many people on to it and I want to thank you for all you are doing.

Not sure if you have already seen this video from Vice News. Its pretty disturbing but I wanted to point out the parts where bodies hit the ground and there isnt a drop of blood around them. Especially the guy in the road. It just totally supports the fact that they were drained.

https://news.vice.com/video/exclusive-fo...ispatch-60

Be well,

Amy

My response:

I will post this, I am getting a headache and appreciate a freebie, good work, Thanks! Upon looking at the video, I have to agree you are absolutely correct. 10 years ago I witnessed a high rise suicide jump, and there was so much blood from the body the fire department came and sprayed the scene with hoses to clean it up. The lack of blood from multiple bodies in the video from an even greater fall says it ALL. Thanks for the super clear video link.

James

July 20 2014

DNA PROOF SUBMITTED AT LEAST A WEEK TOO SOON PROVES IDENTIFICATION OF PASSENGERS FALSE

Toni wrote:
Today I picked up my sister who flew in from the netherlands. She tells me that a team of doctors from the Netherlands went to the crash site and identified people on board as the people who checked in flight MH17. Including DNA proof. I told her I doubt that is possible in such a short time.

My response:

DNA identification requires a pre crash sample to be available for all passengers. There is NO WAY they could have located even ONE pre crash sample this quickly and then used it to identify even ONE passenger in only two days. The machines may go that fast with really good samples if you start from day one with both samples in the lab, but HOW, with passengers from Malaysia, China, Australia, the Netherlands and many other places could that happen? ANSWER: THERE WAS NO DNA IDENTIFICATION and now that this lie has been spun WAY TOO SOON, THERE NEVER WILL BE. Just like when Israel verifies the DNA of a "suicide bomber" and bulldozes the neighborhood within two hours of a "bombing", such lies are for the foolish. DO NOT be counted among them.
If a super sleuth crack team of experts was deployed and had the best of the best gear ON SITE IN UKRAINE, and a complimentary team ready to pounce right on the home of a crash victim you might see the first true result in FIVE DAYS if they got VERY LUCKY, with most in a week and a half, and many never identified at all because no pre crash sample was there to be had. Why would there be a rush to report this anyway (true or not), other than to steer public opinion?


With recombinant technology vastly improved over years prior, it might be possible to get a match in two days IF AND ONLY IF at the exact beginning of those two days both samples were available, both samples were very large and of high quality and both samples went straight into the equipment immediately. But with pre crash samples needing to be ferreted out from homes and posessions and being of imperfect quality, and the body over a thousand KM away, two days is laughably foolish - it simply would never happen.

I say ZERO dead aids doctors or live passengers or pilots, and only corpses loaded and flown via remote

DEAR RENSE AND YOSHI, YOU SCREWED UP BIG TIME. BECAUSE ON A 777, THE CARGO BAY IS PRESSURIZED AND RECEIVES THE EXACT SAME AIR THE CABIN DOES. THERE IS NO SEPARATION IN THIS ON A 777 WHICH IS UNIQUE TO THE 777 BECAUSE IT IS THAT WAY WITH ALL MODELS, AND IF LIVE PASSENGERS SHARED THE SAME AIRSPACE AS ROTTING CORPSES, WELL, THEY WOULD NOT GET ON THAT PLANE WOULD THEY? WHAT WOULD THE PILOTS THINK? YOU ARE BUSTED RENSE, GET THAT LIE OF YOURS ABOUT DISEASED DEAD CORPSES IN THE CARGO BAY WITH LIVE PEOPLE IN THE CABIN OFF THE WEB.

And why load diseased corpses into a plane that was going to be shot down in the middle of nowhere? The diseased corpses cargo bay story is absolute crp and that is all there is to it. I am actually angry with Rense for spinning that kind of bunk out of nowhere and or allowing Yoshi to peddle that crp on such a large venue, as angry as I am for having an Australian newspaper make the the same type of lie up about 108 dead doctors when there is no way ANY doctor has a nose that would have permitted boarding that plane AT ALL.
For another example of blatant disinfo, one only needs to look at the report about the 108 dead aids researchers on the plane, which was also totally fabricated news from a mainstream Australian newspaper. After this web site gutted that lie, the "official" story was changed to the number SIX.


The fact that they used the number SIX is proof that story is also a lie.

Here is a good tip for finding lies or fabricated stories in the news. If the number SIX is used, that is Jewish code for the story highly probably being a fabrication. Six is the favorite Jewish number, it is what they always use, and since a lower number of dead aids doctors was necessary to come up with, (a MUCH LOWER NUMBER,) the next lie was spun with the number SIX.
If you ever see the number six used to count victims or witnesses or anything else, count on an approximately 90 percent probability that the story is FALSE, especially when obviously the number of doctors on that plane was ZERO. Since there is no air separation between the cargo hold and the main cabin, ONLY CORPSES WERE ON THAT PLANE, NOT ONE LIVE BODY WAS BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE RUN OFF THAT PLANE IN DISGUST.

HERE IS WHY: In the wreckage the rotten corpses were not bagged or shielded from their environment in ANY WAY. This makes the entire notion of having live people, ESPECIALLY DOCTORS WHO MIGHT KNOW THAT SMELL, on that plane at all.

Bottom line? The shared airspace in the cargo hold and cabin once again supports the entire notion that the shoot down plane really was flight 370, and it was either autopiloted or remote controlled to the shoot down location. No live passenger would have boarded and no pilot would have either with no separation between them and rotting corpses in a sealed environment, the shared airspace leaves only ONE ANSWER, which is:
Someone with billion dollar funding bought all seats on the flight to suit the records, fake identities and accompanying passports were provided, the plane was swapped, the flight was listed as canceled, and flight 370 took off and was used for the shoot down. It was flown 200 KM off course to get to the correct region for shoot down.

Afterward route MH17 continued perfectly on schedule as if no crash happened at all. That is because route MH17 lost no planes and could just resume as normal. Flight 370 was canceled for weeks because it genuinely vanished, yet again confirming MH17 lost no aircraft at all. And all people on flight 370 were killed well in advance of this false flag shoot down to make good and sure NO ONE would survive the crash to talk about what happened at Diego Garcia.


And the pristine passports also tell the story, there was not one recovered that looked the least bit used. Obviously they were made days before this false flag, and whoever fronted it did not expect any intact bodies to make it through the crash. Usually with high speed crashes bodies are erased. In this case, that assumption was a huge mistake.
And what about Gaza? That is even more motiviation for ditching flight 370 at this time, to draw the public eye away from an even bigger crime to a lesser one to be milked as many ways as possible, including an attempt to frame Russia for a plane shoot down. That is so Jewish, turn two events that should be a death sentence for the tribe into an opportunity to wage yet another war, no doubt one which will only shed goy blood.

108 aids conference delegates suddenly dropped to six proves entire "missing and dead" script from MH17 a fabrication.

Many news sites picked this 108 number up, and this ONE THING, which was a HUGE LIE, proves that there were NO REGULARLY SCHEDULED PASSENGERS ON FLIGHT MH17. The redactions of the 108 aids conference delegates proves the entire list false, if you drop the number 108 down to six, who were the other 102? The mainstream media is hiccuping and backtracking and tripping all over itself trying to plug holes in their story and praying for short memories and impressionable attention deficit minds, please watch the puppet on the left while the "magic" is done elsewhere and OH GOD may they forget all the lies we spun and just hop right back into tomorrows script without thought or memory AT ALL.

July 19 2014

It is said dead men tell no tales, but in this case, when they are rotten three hours after takeoff that statement is a blunder.
Alin wrote:

I read your articles, but you never said what happened to the people on the real MH 17? Wouldn't it just make another load of bodies to get rid of?
Thank you,
Alin
My response:

That is a big mystery we do not have the answer to. However, we do have ONE ANSWER: The bodies on the shot down plane were rotten and obviously dead for days. That is what we have to go with for the initial clue, lack of answers elsewhere does not change that.
July 19 coverage starts here

Do not forget Gaza, which this shoot down was in part used for to occupy the news with something else

AIDS Microbiologists on MH17 story a HOAX!

As I suspected, when a major Australian paper reported that 100 top aids researchers were on MH17, the story was a hoax. As it turns out, the official airline serving the conference is Emirates Airlines, which is offering steep discounts on air travel to the conference, and is listed as the official airline serving the conference. This puts the 100 dead microbiologists on A SINGLE MALAYSIA AIRLINES FLIGHT that in reality left too early anyway into the HOAX category, FIGURE THE ODDS.
John wrote: Predictive programming for MH17 on "The Strain"

Hollywood famous Guillermo del Toro directed & wrote the season premiere of "The Strain" which aired on July 13th on FX (Fox owned network) just 4 days before MH-17. In the episode a BOEING jetliner arrives @ JFK from Europe with everyone dead on board, drained of blood & already decomposing.

My comment: Just like the bodies on crashed "mh17". Also see this: The exact true scenario for 911 was released by FOX six months before 911, predictive programming has also occurred on other occasions so this does not surprise me at all

Alin wrote:

I read your articles, but you never said what happened to the people on the real MH 17? Wouldn't it just make another load of bodies to get rid of?

Thank you,

Alin

My response:

That is a big mystery we do not have the answer to. However, we do have ONE ANSWER: The bodies were rotten and obviously dead for days. That is what we can go with, lack of answers elsewhere does not change that.

MH17 Keeps flying on schedule despite "shoot down"

Something new came in today, which makes me want to once again pop a HUGE question: Why is MH17 flying as if nothing happened after this shoot down, when after flight 370 vanished, flight 370 did not resume for WEEKS? The answer is obvious, and that is that the shot down plane was in fact flight 370. The rotted bodies prove it, and A HUGE piece of additional information came in today which is another SMOKING GUN - Tobia wrote:
"Wondering what the deal is with the picture that the Dutch man supposedly took at Schipholi before departure, mentioning "This is how the plane looks like in case it disappears" (or something like that)? You can clearly see part of the serial number on the front landing gear hatch: it says RC, which should be part of the nr 9MMRC, a MH17 clone plane that according to flightradar24 departed for Kuala Lumpur on the 11th, and since then no flight at all."

My response:

Answer: The plane used for the shoot down was NOT MH17, and this is all a setup. Errors like this are made by psyop teams who forget to factor in every possible variable.

I have a woman writing me saying a friend of a friend was on that plane, and is now missing. And I do not believe it. If Military commanders said the bodies were rotten at the moment of crash, this means dead for days before this shoot down, and no friend of hers was on that plane. It is said dead men tell no tales, but in this case, when they are rotten three hours after takeoff that statement is a blunder. I hate to sound harsh, but as Glenn Beck, who trashed the Philip Wood report would have it, Philip Wood is now dead. The enemy of all of us resides within the mainstream media.

It has been anounced that because rebels got to the crash first, NO ANALYSIS OF THE CRASH CAN BE DONE.

How convenient. Let me tell you why no analysis can be done. Because Ukraine is totally zionist controlled, and they do not want answers getting out. These answers will be provided by serial numbers on all the parts. Flight 370 was a brand spankin new aircraft, at a little under two years old. And it would be impossible to dispose of. You might be able to go through it and rob the aluminum and get that recycled without anyone pegging you, but what about the landing gear, hydraulic pumps, fuel pumps, engines or anything else? Those parts would have been impossible to dispose of because they are all tracked via serial number and the serial numbers are all tracked to the plane they came from. The only way to ditch flight 370 would be to do so in a war zone in a totally controlled puppet state where you could blame circumstances for the inability to conduct a proper investigation. I guess you could also ditch it at sea, but there are satellites, RUSSIAN SATELLITES that could nail you doing it.
July 18 2014

Military Commander: Passengers dead long before plane took off

MH17 all but completely proven to be flight 370

July 18 2014
The bodies were dead for days before the flight and smelling of rot according to top military commander at the scene, which would be expected if they were actually from flight 370. They would have been loaded on the plane dead to make sure no one could speak about what went on.

From the Washington Times:

"MOSCOW — A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off. The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition."
My comment: This strongly supports MH370 as being the real shoot down plane, with all passengers dead long before and probably being taken off of ice and loaded into the plane for final disposal. If a body is already dead before a crash, crash damage will not show up the same way it will with live bodies. This is probably why so many of the bodies in the wreckage do not show serious burns or blood. A good example of this effect is to take a piece of chicken and throw it in a hot pan for a few seconds. If you remove it from the hot pan within a short time, it will look totally uncooked. Yet if you put your hand on that hot pan for even half a second, it will be badly burned, and show it. Live flesh shows injury easily because of the way living cells respond to injury. If the bodies were dead for days and possibly loaded onto the plane well chilled it would explain a lot about their relatively undamaged appearance in the wreckage.

Additionally, MH17 returned immediately to normal flight schedules after this shoot down, and I beg to question HOW if a real MH17 plane was lost. The only incomplete flight is the shoot down flight. Flight 370 was canceled for weeks after the jet supporting it disappeared, why not the same scenario for MH17 if it really did get shot down? Answer: The shot down plane was the disposal of flight 370, being reported as MH17 to cover it up thus leaving MH17 in a position to return to normal immediately. Dead men tell no tales? Perhaps if they are NOT LOADED ONTO A PLANE ROTTEN.

As I suspected, MH17 is NOT supposed to over fly Eastern Ukraine

MH17 flies over Western Ukraine because the curvature of the earth makes flying over a small portion of Western Ukraine the shortest route. And I calculated that, only to be put off by a piece of disinfo which showed the flight path accomodating this "shoot down". MH17 indeed does not fly a straight line by appearances on a map, but it also does not curve extremely far east as now shown on disinfo sites to accomodate the "official" story. And someone else nailed this, and it ended up in my mail box.
Yonatan said...

If it was MH17 that was shot down over Torez, it was 200 km north of its published route. It doesn't fly over the eastern land border between Ukraine and Russia. It crosses the Ukrainian coast at Berdyansk to fly over the Sea of Azov towards Primorsko-Akhtarsk.

What time was it allegedly shot down? How come it disappeared from trackers in west Ukraine and and appears to have traveled about 1000 km into eastern Ukraine some 200 km off route without being challenged by Ukrainian authorities?

Hmmm very odd, in the time taken to send my earlier message and to compose this update, FlightAware's data has been updated to show the aircraft in East Ukraine. Fortunately I have earlier screenshots of both before and after FlightAware data.

A new data entry for 2:19 puts it at 48.1N 38.5E roughly around Donestk / Torez. There is no data for the intervening hour. Why was it so far off route? What was the reason for the lack of tracking data? All the earlier MH17 flights I have checked route even further south.

Something's fishier than a barrel full of rotting fish.

MY COMMENT: YEP. AS FISHY AS MISSING FLIGHT 370. I knew it! Eastern Ukraine is NOT the correct flight path for the real MH17, which is why MH17 is now flying perfectly on schedule again! a different 777 was used for this. UPDATE: This got expunged and no longer exists. I suggest people verify for themselves, flight MH17 DOES NOT GO TO WHERE THIS SHOOT DOWN HAPPENED, NOT EVEN WITHIN 175 KILOMETERS OF WHERE IT HAPPENED. I called this on day one, only to be railroaded by B.S. put up ahead of time to no doubt stifle any search for the flight path for MH17. That alone is a smoking gun, this was set up well in advance.

My estimation of earth curvature had MH17 passing over a very small portion of Western Ukraine, never getting within 250 KM of Russia. I sure would like to see the published route, but the page it was on has BEEN REMOVED. Censorship is ruling the day, more so with this than any other event so far.

Selective censorship of MH17 coverage speaks volumes

Whoever controls the internet is swapping out screen captures I have posted with alternative images that have completely different file names and are not even on my server. I cannot stop this from happening, if anything conflicts the text will have to do. This is HUGE, and the swap outs have been done to linked tweets, linked testimony of witnesses, and screen captures which strongly indicate that MH17 never took off on July 17, and therefore a different plane had to have been used. This would slam dunk the 100 dead aids doctors story, which I think is BOGUS.
I seriously think the 100 dead doctors story is disinfo, in fact I am going to CALL IT. However, it is going to be huge so I have to at least mention it: 100 top aids researchers were on flight MH17 but keep in mind that counter stories that are really likely to go viral will be launched to muddy the waters with anything such as the downing of flight 370. I would be aware of this but skeptical. 100 doctors? HOW BIG IS THAT CONFERENCE, IF IT STUFFED 100 DOCTORS FROM A SMALL COUNTRY ONTO A SINGLE PLANE DAYS BEFORE THE CONFERENCE? I CALL B.S. from that alone!

Pa Namby wrote:
".. of air crashes. No images of people asking for fate, complaining, crying, etc. Usually the first air disasters coverage is reporting on familiar's reactions. I have seen nothing...have you?"

My response: Good point. The families of flight 370 already did that!


One huge problem is that flight MH17 resumed as usual with the only missing flight being the shoot down, which by itself is very strange considering the nature of the shoot down. Flight 370 was canceled for weeks so I beg to question why MH17 continued without a hiccup if it really had been shot down. But since the report about the doctors and the aids conference is in the rounds, I at least have to mention it, though I doubt it. There is too much other evidence to the contrary, such as MH17 IS ALREADY ON SCHEDULE AGAIN.
Here is the most heavily censored event, and the background on it

Fighter jet escorts reveal the real story: FINAL – Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing #MH17
Immediately after the shoot down, foreign people entered the control tower at Kiev Borispol Airport which was monitoring flight MH17 and removed the normal workers and started doing their jobs. These "replacements by force" were obviously put there to front the official story. The normal control tower staff then reported the presense of two fighter jet escorts via Twitter. These tweets were subsequently removed by Twitter. However, the normal tower staff has successfully gotten through to various honest news outlets such as THIS ONE, which has had this link vanish from this site for some readers. If the link is not visible check back later and I will have a capture here. If these people succesfully speak, the fact that "MH17" was under fighter jet escort will not be buried by Twitter or any replacement staff.

Flight departure times are inconsistent, and one major web site showed MH17 as canceled on the 17th.

If flight MH17 really took off, it would have had an agreed upon departure time. But three news outlets released 3 different departure times, which strongly indicates the flight never happened and a different 777 was shot down. And anyone could safely bet the now zio zombie Ukraine would dispose of flight 370 for a military perk from the U.S.
It is highly probable that flight 370 was substituted out, zombie flown either via remote by both fighter jets or by pre programmed autopilot with the transponder programmed to identify it as MH17, with all original passengers aboard and possibly other undesirables, and then shot down by the fighter jet escorts. Buk missiles produce a very noticeable plume, and no one documented any. In the day of cell phone cams, I would say zero documentation of something so noticeable means no missile launch. This points the finger at the fighter jet escorts which have always been completely scrubbed from the mainstream media and would do the dirty work at an altitude too high for any witnesses. And with Ukraine now operating as a zio proxy state, any investigation of the debris will be carried out "appropriately".

Obviously this is all guessing, but when we have an established media that is well proven to do nothing but lie with events such as this, a guess is better than practically anything the media would spew. One unanswered question is how the originating airport could be kept quiet about this, BUT if an intermediate tower not associated with the initial takeoff could be silenced about what they saw, and this was a very important psy op, I am certain the correct arrangements would be made at the originating location to keep a lid on this, which leaves the only other venue of proof being one documented cancellation on a flight tracker site, and numerous media errors regarding departure time.

If a departure for MH17 happened, only ONE time would be logged, yet within a short time I found 3, at 14 minutes, 15 minutes and 31 minutes past the hour (compensate yourself for time zone.) This inconsistency is practically bullet proof evidence no flight departure time was ever actually recorded, if a real departure happened all news sources would have the same departure time. This has all been preserved on this site in other posts farther down the page, they cannot go back and change them and get away with it.


So what actually happened as far as I see it?

The originating tower was re-staffed at least temporarily with people who would keep a secret about what really went on at the airport. Flight370 was remote flown or flown out via pre programmed autopilot with a transponder identifying it as MH17. It then received two fighter jet escorts when far enough away from the originating airport to not arouse suspicion and these fighter escorts for the most part stayed close enough to conceal their radar signature and provide "pilot feedback" from pilot absent zombie flown flight 370. At the appropriate time it was shot down.
HOW APPROPRIATE WAS THE TIMING OF THIS SHOOT DOWN? So appropriate it perfectly corresponded with the start of a massive Israeli ground assault on Gaza to divert public attention to something else. That is the FINAL red flag here, it is such a huge red flag it blocks out the sky above all other reason.


So, in short: MH370 was disposed of because it had to be gotten rid of, and it was done in a way that diverted news away from a huge assault on Gaza and as a bonus gave Russia a black eye. Milk it every way they can, by way of deception thou shalt do war, and though obviously none of this will ever be "officially" documented, the logic certainly fits.

And a final nail - MH17 is proceeding as normal, with normal flights THE DAY AFTER. When MH370 vanished, that route was cancelled FOR WEEKS. WHAT IS UP WITH THAT? Is anyone out there really stupid enough to believe business as usual would resume the the next scheduled flight after a genuine loss of an aircraft that flies anywhere near a war zone? That next scheduled flight is LANDING IN MALAYSIA THE DAY AFTER ON SCHEDULE AS I WRITE THIS, and I beg to question WHY. Is anyone out there gullible enough to buy the notion of business as usual after a genuine unexpected shoot down, or perhaps more importantly, the loss of two IDENTICAL 777 aircraft from the SAME AIRLINE within 4 months? FIGURE THE ODDS.
For the information hounds out there, Nodisinfo retracted their hoax report most likely on word that the bodies were dead long before the flight took off, which explained too many of the anomalies they noted.


July 17 2014
Strong emperical evidence Israel shot down plane

Plane shoot down: approximately 14:15 UTC. Israeli assault on Gaza: 14:00 UTC. See a connection there? And when you consider the fact that it took time to confirm the downing, the two times actually match even more closely. Israel's assault on Gaza is viewed badly by the world community, what better way to bury it in the news than a plane shoot down, complete with the threat of a war with Russia?
And even if Russian forces did do this, it only takes a couple Jews among them to cause something like this. In my opinion it is case closed regarding this, with the only question being: was this used as cover for disposal of flight 370? Come on now, TWO MALAYSIA 777 AIRCRAFT IN 4 MONTHS? YEAH RIGHT. Any three year old would catch that B.S. if it involved airplane cookies instead.

UPDATE: Flightradar24.com now shows flight MH17 taking off ON TIME (July 18.) Yet when flight 370 vanished, it took weeks to resume. So either Malaysia airlines has multiple planes on this route, or they did not lose one. AND EVEN WITH THE NEW DEPARTURE TIME ESTIMATED, THE OLD DEPARTURE TIME FOR JULY 17 IS NOT LISTED AND THE FLIGHT STILL SHOWS AS CANCELED.

UPDATE: BUSTED: High level tampering with this web site over MH17 DOCUMENTED. If I log in to administer this web site, and I click the front page link to Flightradar24, I get This version of events, yet if I am not logged in to administer this site and hit the page like a random user, Flightradar switches the page served to THIS PAGE And they show a departure time of 10:31. Why then does this WIKIPEDIA report show the departure time as 10:14? THEY HAVE SCREWED UP AND DID NOT GET THE TIMES STRAIGHT IN THIS FALSE FLAG. PEOPLE HOP ON THIS AND GET AS MANY CONFLICTING TIMES AS POSSIBLE DOCUMENTED.

CONFIRMED:Flightradar24.com is messing with results and screwed up a non existent departure time as proven by THE MSM. This inconsistency first noticed in a Wikipedia post is not a false edit or mistake

Keep in mind it is the minutes that matter here because time zones vary. 10:31 does not equal 6:15 no matter where you are on the globe, and for the record, this now confirms 3 different departure times, proof of a B.S. departure and re-enforcement of the possibility this really was the disposal of flight 370.
Shoot down now confirmed and therefore top posted

Gaza carnage has disappeared from the news over this shoot down, is this a secondary motive?
Judging from what is happening now, I am going to un officially call it - Flight 370 has been disposed of, Russia will be blackballed, and ISRAEL DID IT ALL, because under the waves generated by this shoot down story The ground invasion of Gaza has started and there is not a PEEP in the MSM about it. how convenient!

Heads up: Flightradar24.com which is the defining site for flight history says MH17 was canceled and never departed, with no departure time listed. Hmmm . . . . . Good cover for flight 370? Not enough substance to make a call on that one, but this is something to make note of at least. The site is down now, possibly overwhelmed? That is OK, I got a photograph of this.

And keep in mind that it is all in a blender now, with the necessary lies being told to bury this connection. Someone already has a Wiki up with the entire story including departure time, but no legitimate travel site site I came across in two hours searching actually listed it.
UPDATE: Flight "MH17" was being escorted by two fighter jets up until shoot down, which would be PERFECT if it was in fact a zombie flight 370 under remote control to its final death. This is covered more farther down the page.

Malaysia airlines MH17 777 flight 370 clone from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpoor shot down at border between Ukraine and Russia

A malaysian jet flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was shot down by either Russia or Ukraine. The plane has now been declared shot down, and the media is doing its best to blame Russia. What a GREAT WAY to dispose of flight 370 if Flightradar24.com is actually right about this!
And speaking about false flags, remember that Flight 370 clone in Tel Aviv? and do not forget about the 777 that was stopped by the Dutch from crashing the nuclear summit right after flight 370 vanished, as this web site predicted was likely to happen.

Missile system identified

The jet was shot down by a BUK missile. The American press is being quick to blame Russia, but is failing to mention that Ukraine had a large supply of these. And that says a lot - it pretty much proves that 1. The Ukraine uprising had American/Israeli roots and that 2. the real goal is war with Russia, after all if it was not, why struggle to blame them?
Video of smoke from crash

Interesting tidbit - Planes first flight was on July 17 1997 and was shot down on the anniversary of TWA flight 800 . . .
McCain: "HELL TO PAY" if plane shot down

Sure a lot of debris from this Malaysian airlines flight. Why so little for flight 93 in Pennsylvania?

Usually the media will scrub body pics from crash photos, not true with this photo and I beg to question why? These types of photos in crashes never make it out, and I have now confirmed multiple news sources are posting these. WHY NOW? The media is quick to blame Russia for this, but I doubt it was Russia when this plane was shot 50 miles inside of Ukraine. But then again what about those three Israeli teens? This could be "useful" . . . . .

CONFIRMED BY MULTIPLE SUPPORTING TWEETS: Air traffic controller claims plane was being escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets right before shoot down. That is worth adding to the mix.

When so much is "known" about what went on so soon after any event, a false flag is virtually guranteed. With Russia already being blamed in the MSM, I suggest people consider a different culprit. And what about that fighter jet escort? Identities can be spoofed, and two jets would be perfect for remote controlling flight 370 to its death - they have to get rid of it anyway, why not like this?
Here is a quote from a forum that says it all:

"The debris is still smoking, and the liar MSM has ALL the answers already? (including the type missile "used"?). How? Again: HOW? Fox News was there??
The truly stupid dupe here is YOU swallowing the MSM bullshit hook, line and sinker. Obviously, you are utterly unable to THINK; you stick your stupid face on the TV screen and swallow all the garbage coming through, without an ounce of critical thinking."

I agree exactly. The reporting has all the hallmarks of 911 reporting, where the "target" was named and convicted on DAY ONE. THAT is the biggest indicator that this was indeed a false flag.
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http://www.tomatobubble.com/id492.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=welJMDuncyw
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/22/...n-ukraine/
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/07/22...d-be-intl/
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140721/19108450...aries.html
MOSCOW, July 21 (RIA Novosti) - Russia’s Foreign Ministry on Monday demanded that Sweden, Finland, the Baltic states and France conduct a thorough investigation into alleged involvement of mercenaries from these countries in hostilities in eastern Ukraine.
“We demand the authorities of the above-mentioned countries to conduct a thorough investigation into these facts and condemn the participation of mercenaries in the hostilities in eastern Ukraine,” the ministry said in a statement.
The ministry said this while commenting on an article in Italy’s Il Giornale newspaper which was published over the weekend. The publication reported that mercenaries from ex-Soviet Baltic states, as well as Sweden, Finland and France fought in the Azov Battalion, a paramilitary group supporting the Kiev government troops and financed by Ukrainian oligarch and governor Ihor Kolomoiskyi.
“If the information in this article is true, than it is yet another confirmation of involvement of foreign fighters in the armed internal conflict in Ukraine,” the statement reads.
Last month, Russia issued arrest warrants for Kolomoyskyi, as well as Ukraine’s Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, on charges of organizing murders and abductions, using banned means and methods of warfare, and preventing legal journalistic activities.
Moscow also believes the Azov Battalion played a key role in the violent attack on the Russian embassy in Kiev in mid-June, causing tensions between Moscow and Kiev to boil over.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140722/19110283...-Zone.html
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/21/...ian-plane/
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Ukraine’s Yatsenyuk Orders Sanctions Against Russians 'Supporting Terrorists'


KIEV, July 23 (RIA Novosti) – Ukraine plans to impose sanctions against Russians who in Kiev’s opinion directly or indirectly support separatists and terrorists, Ukrainian Prime Minister ****niy Yatsenyuk said Wednesday.
“A committee has been created to impose sanctions against the Russian Federation. The committee will consist of the Foreign Ministry, Justice Ministry, economic and financial blocs, power and law enforcement structures. Ukraine will impose sanctions on every single individual who has a Russian passport and who supports terrorists and separatists in Ukraine either directly or indirectly,” Yatsenyuk said.

Further Sanctions Against Russia Unjustified, Threaten Global Economic Stability - Germany

MOSCOW, July 23 (RIA Novosti) - Furthersanctions against Moscow, targeting entire sectors of the Russian economy, are not a justified tool for solving a political conflict and threaten the global economic stability, German Chamber of Industry and Commerce (DIHK) chief Martin Wansleben said in an interview with German Passau Neue Presse on Wednesday.
“Further sanctions targeting entire sectors of the economy are not a justified tool to solve the political conflict,” Wansleben said. “Russia is among the Germany’s top-10 trade partners. 300,000 jobs in Germany depend on the export of German goods to Russia. Moreover, Russia is Germany’s major supplier of oil and gas, accounting for 35 percent of the deliveries. The previously imposed sanctions have already negatively affected economic relations between Russia and Germany,” Wansleben told Passau Neue Presse.
He also stressed that the German economy has been suffering losses since the start of the political crisis in Ukraine, and the global economy has become far less stable.
“New investments in Russia and the prospectus projects have been postponed. In 2014 we expect losses of 4 billion euro ($5.4 billion) due to lower exports to Russia, and over 1.5 billion euro ($2 billion) to Ukraine,” Wansleben said.
On July 24, the European Union will present new sanctions against Moscow targeting Russia’s financial and defense sectors.
“We’ve asked the Commission and External Action Service to prepare proposals for action including an access to capital markets, defense, dual-use goods and sensitive technologies, including in the energy sector. These proposals will be presented on Thursday,” EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said Tuesday.

French Socialists Accuse London of Hypocrisy Over Russia Sanctions


MOSCOW, July 23 (RIA Novosti) - French Socialist Party Leader Jean-Christophe Cambadelis has condemned British Prime Minister David Cameron, who has urged to impose new sanctions against Russia, while at the same time being unwilling to sever close ties with Russian tycoons in the UK, the Financial Times reported Wednesday.
“This is an insincere debate made by hypocrites,” The Financial Times quoted Cambadelis as commenting on David Cameron’s dual-standard thinking.
Earlier, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius has made a similar statement.
Earlier on Wednesday, it was reported that Britain is to continue arms supplies to Russia, despite the fact it was sharply criticizing Paris for its plans to sell Mistral ships to Russia.


Kiev Claims Russia’s Gazprom Involved in EU Reverse Gas Supplies Decrease


KIEV, July 23 (RIA Novosti) – The volume of reverse gas deliveries to Ukraine from the European Union has decreased and Kiev authorities suspect Russian gas giant Gazprom is somehow involved, Ukrainian Energy Minister Yuriy Prodan said Wednesday.
“Today there is a decrease in the volume of reverse gas. We think this is tied to Gazprom’s activities. You’ve heard those threats that were addressed to European companies that this reversal [of gas] is illegal,” Prodan told journalists.
“Today there is the capability of delivering around 18 million cubic meters of reverse [gas deliveries], but only 7 million [cubic meters] are being delivered daily,” the minister said, adding that the decrease in reverse deliveries began “about two weeks ago.”
Prodan said that he plans on discussing this issue in a meeting with European Energy Commissioner Guenther Oettinger on Thursday.


Sanctions Could Slow Down Russia’s Macroeconomic Development - Minister


MOSCOW, July 23 (RIA Novosti) - Sanctions imposed on Russia by the United States and the European Union can negatively influence the macroeconomics development prognosis, Russia’s Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukayev told journalists Wednesday.
“We had in mind the prognosis for growth, and we have had these ideas before our well-respected partners had formulated their positions on sanctions. Objectively we could have and should have reviewed the prognosis towards the growth, but we need to make some further corrections,” explained Ulyukayev.


Kiev’s Special Op Claims Over 400 Lives in Donetsk Region – Local Authorities


DONETSK, July 23 (RIA Novosti) – More than 400 people have been killed since the start of Kiev’s military operation against independence supporters in Ukraine’s Donetsk Region, the official website of the city of Donetsk reported Wednesday.
“Since March, 432 people, including 36 women and six children, have been killed and 1,015 others injured,” the statement said, referring to Donetsk Region health department.
On Tuesday, at least seven people sustained injures in the city of Donetsk as fighting between the Ukrainian Army and militia continued on its outskirts. Another four people were injured in the town of Horlivka. According to the local authorities, there are also casualties in other settlements, including Shakhtarsk, Snizhne and Starobilsk.
The Ukrainian authorities have been carrying out a military operation in the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk since March.
Moscow, which describes the ongoing military actions as a punitive operation, has called for an immediate end to the bloodshed, but despite numerous promises to initiate the de-escalation process, Kiev has so far not made any moves to stop the conflict.


Ukraine Halts Financing Warships Due to Budget Savings


KIEV, July 23 (RIA Novosti) - The Ukrainian Defense Ministry has halted financing the program envisaging the construction of four Korvet-type warships by 2021, due to budget savings and large-scale austerity measures introduced in the country, Ukraine’s acting Defense Minister Ivan Rusnak said Wednesday.
“A decision has been made to temporarily halt this program [on Korvet construction]. It hasn’t been scrapped, and the issue will be revised in the future,” Rusnak said at the parliamentary hearing devoted to Ukraine’s defense capabilities.
The new Ukrainian authorities claimed earlier that the state’s treasury was almost empty and announced widespread austerity in a bid to stave off mounting debt.
Ukraine’s Finance Ministry forecasts the country’s economy to slump by 6 to 6.5 percent in 2014, and inflation to reach 19 percent. The state budget of Ukraine adopted in January was based on growth expected to reach 3 percent and inflation to stand at 4.3 percent. In late March, the document was amended as the country’s economic situation deteriorated.


Nationalists Want to Return Nuclear Status to Ukraine


KIEV, July 23 (RIA Novosti) - Draft law on restoring Ukraine’s nuclear status was registered at Ukraine’s Parliament on Wednesday at the request of Svoboda party.
The law on nuclear status was initiated by radical nationalist Svoboda party’s parliamentary faction. The text of the law is not quoted. Svoboda faction already proposed this earlier.
Nationalist party Svoboda, became a part of the ruling coalition in Ukraine after the February coup and is connected with the Right Sector
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Russian territory shelled from Ukraine 9 times in past months

Russia July 24, 10:03 UTC+4
Dozens of Ukrainian shells have exploded in Russia, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov told Russia 24 television on Thursday
Member of the investigating committee near a shell crater after shelling from Ukrainian territory hit the small Russian city of Donetsk
Member of the investigating committee near a shell crater after shelling from Ukrainian territory hit the small Russian city of Donetsk© EPA/ARKADY BUDNITSKY

OSCE headquarters may be deployed in Russia's Kamensk-Shakhtinsky
MOSCOW, July 24. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia reports nine gunfire attacks on its territory from Ukraine's side in June and July this year.
Dozens of Ukrainian shells have exploded in Russia, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov told Russia 24 television on Thursday.
Aimed fire was opened on a border guard post. Russian citizen Andrei Shulyatyev was killed. He left three underage daughters, Antonov said.
“If the territory of the United States were shelled from a cross-border region, and if an American citizen were killed, what would the USA do? The answer is clear,” he noted. “We are simply showing responsibility and restraint.”
According to Antonov, in this regard “it is totally clear, who provokes whom on the border”. “You had better pay attention to the permanent shelling of Donetsk and Luhansk with projectiles and to the murders of civilians,” the deputy defense minister said addressing to the western military officials.
Speaking of the Malaysian Boeing tragedy, Antonov said that Russia calls for a thorough investigation of the plane crash.
He said that Russia has made public its intelligence data on the crash. Meanwhile, Ukraine and western countries surprisingly make their conclusions about the tragedy "referring mainly to social media," Antonov added.
He said that images published by the U.S. intelligence show Buk missile launch systems belonging not to Russia but to Ukraine.
The most recent shelling of Russian territory from the Ukrainian side of the border was reported July 20. Customs officers of the Gukovo automotive checkpoint in the Rostov region were evacuated. No Russians were killed or wounded in the shooting attack.
Meanwhile, reports come that employees of the nearest border checkpoints of Russia are often evacuated due to the attacks. In addition, in some cases there was need to evacuate residents of the border villages and settlements. Thus, July 18, 90 people were evacuated from two villages of the Kuybyshevsky district of the Rostov region.


Moscow demands Kiev stop fire on Russian territory - Foreign Ministry
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Earlier, the Russian diplomatic service has made a statement condemning the repeated shooting attacks, as well as violation of the state border by Ukrainian military.
The statement was issued in connection with another shelling of the Russian territory on July 12.
“Russia demands Ukraine stop shelling of the Russian territory and violating the Russian border,” the ministry said in its statement.
“If such provocations continue, Russia reserves the right to take measures under its legislation aimed at protecting the territory and ensuring security of Russian citizens,” it added.

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/742070

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Obama administration sending military advisers to Ukraine within weeks
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​The United States is reportedly preparing to send a team of military advisers into Ukraine to assist with revamping forces there in the midst of the ongoing crisis between government-loyal troops and an anti-Kiev militia.

On Tuesday this week, the Washington Times reported that a spokesperson for the US Department of Defense confirmed plans to put Pentagon advisers in Ukraine.

“Within the next few weeks, a group of Defense Department representatives who specialize in strategy and policy will head to Kiev to evaluate specific programs that the United States may want to help bolster,” reporter Maggie Ybarra wrote for the Times.

The newspaper says that Army Col. Steve Warren, a spokesperson for the Pentagon, told the Times that the objective of sending DoD advisers overseas is to “shape and establish an enduring program for future US efforts to support the Ukrainian military through subject-matter expert teams and long-term advisers.”

RT reported previously back in early June that US military advisers were being offered to Kiev “to help Ukraine build highly effective armed forces and defense institutions” and to “shape and establish an enduring program for future US efforts to support the Ukrainian military through training, education and assistance.”

Last month’s announcement came after the White House approved more than $23 million security assistance to Ukraine in a matter of weeks. As the crisis in eastern Ukraine intensifies, however, particularly in the aftermath of last week’s tragic plane crash that cost the lives of nearly 300 civilians, the US is once again reportedly offering assistance, this time by way of providing Pentagon advisers.

“Clearly, we have an interest in what happens in Ukraine and it’s far better to have an idea of where we can maximize any support we are willing to provide,” Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-California) told the Times this week.

“It’s important to keep in mind that one of the reasons we’re sending people over there now to help them establish enduring programs is because they don’t have enduring programs,” one defense official told the paper on condition of anonymity. “So two months ago, when they generated their request list, that list wasn’t a result of a well-established defense strategy.”

On Wednesday this week, The Daily Beast went even further by alleging that those earlier requests made by Kiev to the Pentagon were for “sensitive equipment to jam the radars that Russian anti-aircraft systems use to lock their missiles on planes.”

According to Eli Lake at the Beast, a former senior US official said on condition of anonymity that Kiev officials last month specifically “requested the radar jamming and detection equipment necessary to evade and counter the anti-aircraft systems Moscow was providing the country’s separatists.”

Col. Warren, the Pentagon official who confirmed to the Times that DOD advisers were being sent abroad, told the Beast that “The Ukrainian government has requested support, but we’re not going to detail the types of support they have requested.”

What you mean to say they haven't arrived.....what was operation Seabreeze all about?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ju...a-airlines

MH17 black boxes arrive in Farnborough for analysis
AAIB experts will examine chain of events using data from voice and flight recorders belonging to Malaysia Airlines plane
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Ukraine rebels hand over MH17's black boxes
Ukraine rebels hand over MH17's black boxes to Malaysian government officials in Donetsk Photograph: IBL/REX
The black boxes from flight MH17 have made a long journey from eastern Ukraine to a building set in woodland just outside Farnborough airport in Hampshire, the headquarters of the UK's Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB).

There, experts from the AAIB – considered one of the world's pre-eminent specialists in air crash analysis – will download the data from the two instruments, the voice data recorder and the flight data recorder. This process will not take long.

A spokesman for the Department for Transport, of which the AAIB has been a part since 2002, said: "They're confident that, depending on the level of damage, they will be able to retrieve the information within 24 hours and they'll feed it back into the investigation. We're not able to go into detail about anything else."

This task, while vital, will be only a tiny part of the overall work to determine exactly what caused the Malaysian Airlines flight to come down, killing 298 people.

The voice recorder carries two hours of cockpit audio recording. Analysts looking into crashes will examine not just what the pilot and co-pilot say but also any telltale clicks as instruments are engaged, as well as possible sounds of an explosion. On the assumption that MH17 was hit by a missile it seems unlikely the pilots' actions played any role, but everything must be analysed.

The data recorder, which like the voice instrument is encased in a protective shell of metal and insulation, collects an entire flight's worth of information from dozens of sensors, which on modern planes can total several terabytes of data.

While downloading the information should be a speedy process, it is likely to take weeks for it to be analysed in tandem with examination of the remnants of the aircraft.

The full report on the crash of Air France 447, the Airbus A330 that came down in the Atlantic en route to Rio de Janeiro, was published a year after the recorders were recovered from the bottom of the ocean.

MH17's recorders were in the hands of pro-Russia rebels before they were handed to Malaysian investigators. Experts say it would be extremely difficult to tamper with the data, and the memory cards used in the recorders have serial numbers matched to those on the recorders so they cannot be secretly substituted.

What will be the international make up of this team?

Will it be impervious to state political pressure?

Will they be personal and indirect pressure on the individuals taking part in the research?

What happens if results that contradict western propaganda are found?

The late Dr Kelly and the Iraq WMD...... springs to mind!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...22031.html

First time I have seen comments this good!
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Almost 75% of ukrainian power-generating coal and metallurgical coal are mined in Donbas: Donetsk and Lugansk regions
There are only 2 mines in the western ukraine, in Lvov and Volyn regions. They, respectively, mine 250k and 720k tons of coal annualy.
Only one major coal mining industry outside conflict zone is "Pavlogradugol" in Dnepropetrovsk region, belongs to R. Akhmetov. It mines 140 mln tonn annualy, 25% of coal output of Ukraine.
Dneeper brown coal basin is depleted.
Energy-generating industry consumes 48% of mined coal.
The great majority of ukrainian thermal power plants require coal to operate.
Issues related to natural gas are seemed even worse: expected deficit of NG equals 62,7 mln cubic meters. If there is no NG transit, deficit will increase to 92,7 mln cubic meters.

Adjutant General of the California National Guard Maj. Gen. David Baldwin said that the American side highly appreciates cooperation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and is ready to provide them with comprehensive support. David Baldwin said that is pending in the U.S. government a draft law on the prevention of Russian aggression, the adoption of which would allow Ukraine to acquire the status of ally with NATO membership.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdONeHg4V5k

Summary:
There is now any CTO over there, it is full-scale war with tanks, artillery and aviation. And our forces are depleting.
Senior officers and generals literaly don't give a heck about this war. Their HQ near Amrosievka is shamelessly fancy. White and clean tablecloths, nice meals, great tents, adjutants, even sauna. But most important issue is dozens of their bodyguards. They are scared *****less if they have to ride to the combat zone. They arrive in armoured column, all clean and shiny, but no matter the odds they try to return back before the sunset. However, recently their camp was hit with Grad. "I do hope that now they'll understand that shrapnel gives their chubby bellies the same treatment as to grunts."
Junior officers and sergeants prefer not to report anything regarding movements of their units to the commanding officers. Because if they do, the data of this column will be immediately given to separatists => ambush is inevitable => KIAs are inevitable. The amount of bust**rds and sc*m in HQ is higher beyond comprehension. NatiGuard recieves even worse treatment, some officers are very angry at NatiGuard, they think this war is their very fault, so they whistleblow all data regarding them to the separatists, who do not take "nazi-prisoners" alive.
Sheer amount of lies, BS-talkings, hoorah-patrotism is non-dimensional. Everyone from colonel to Mr minister of defence, including Parubiy, Poroshenko and Avakov live in their own world, where seps are killed in thousands daily, UA army is supplied with everything.
Awesome plans of mobilization is pure BS. To become experienced unit must go through fire and blood, smell stench of the gunpowder, witness gore and guts on the ground, spend night under direct fire. It is complete idiotism to expect professionalism from yesterday's students, workers, managers, salesmen, artists, unemployed who are torn away from their peaceful lives and thrown right into the grinder. They do no understand where they are sent, war is distant for them.
He is certain that in the short time all these liars, idiots and traitors will be cleansed and kicked away from the army.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGsaBTlntPo


http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/20...ffensi.php

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/24/...to-resign/

This mans needs to see some justice!
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